Re:Why People with Brain Implants Are Afraid to Go Through A...
by jaclaz on Thursday July 06, 2017 @12:10PM
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In the case of a brain implant, shielding would mean more or less a tinfoil hat, however.
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Re:Why People with Brain Implants Are Afraid to Go Through A...
by PhasmaFelis on Thursday July 06, 2017 @01:23PM
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The device itself could perhaps be better shielded, before implantation.
Re:Why People with Brain Implants Are Afraid to Go Through A...
by drdaeman on Thursday July 06, 2017 @01:57PM
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I think (I'm really no expert on this stuff) I've read that device itself is located just below the skull, but is connected to a relatively long and very thin electrodes (or electrode arrays) that go deep inside the brain matter.
I could be wrong, but if that's how it is - well, it's not trivial to shield a needle to prevent it acting as an antenna.
Would be great if someone who knows this stuff can tell us how it really is.
Re:Why People with Brain Implants Are Afraid to Go Through A...
by ars on Thursday July 06, 2017 @06:51PM
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The brain is basically water and radio waves don't penetrate water.
You only need to shield the exposed parts.
Re:Why People with Brain Implants Are Afraid to Go Through A...
by GauntletWizard on Thursday July 06, 2017 @02:03PM
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It's possible that better shielding on the device would be more of a curse than a blessing. It would increase device size, and possibly cause absorption of the waves that would heat it - leading to serious brain damage.
Re:Why People with Brain Implants Are Afraid to Go Through A...
by leggomylibro on Thursday July 06, 2017 @02:58PM
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Sure, but what would act as the stable ground for the shielding? You need to avoid anything physical crossing the skin/skull/etc. to avoid cleanliness issues, remember.
Re:Why People with Brain Implants Are Afraid to Go Through A...
by radicaldreamer on Thursday July 06, 2017 @01:33PM
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Do brain implants get firmware updates and such wirelessly?
Re:Why People with Brain Implants Are Afraid to Go Through A...
by maxxxxx on Thursday July 06, 2017 @01:51PM
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My company produces brain implants. Technically you can upgrade the firmware wirelessly (we do this in testing all the time) but nobody wants to take the responsibility for doing that with patients. With more RAM available I think wireless upgrade will be the standard in a few years.
Re:Why People with Brain Implants Are Afraid to Go Through A...
by PhasmaFelis on Friday July 07, 2017 @03:11PM
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Wireless updates obviously have major security issues, but I wonder if there's a compromise that doesn't require surgery. Induction, perhaps? Updates transmitted through a wired induction pad pressed against the skin above the device?
Re:Why People with Brain Implants Are Afraid to Go Through A...
by vxNsr on Thursday July 06, 2017 @02:10PM
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Could you speak to the reason there isn't any mention of shielding, or why to layman that seems like the best approach but actually isn't?
Re:Why People with Brain Implants Are Afraid to Go Through A...
by maxxxxx on Thursday July 06, 2017 @02:15PM
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I don't know the details but the biggest problem seems to be the interaction of the pulse generator with the leads. You can't shield that away. It's more complex.
Re:Why People with Brain Implants Are Afraid to Go Through A...
by ams6110 on Thursday July 06, 2017 @01:53PM
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Wireless updates viewed as riskier than surgery? Or is it just that the liability moves from your company to the surgeon?
Re:Why People with Brain Implants Are Afraid to Go Through A...
by maxxxxx on Thursday July 06, 2017 @02:22PM
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For a wireless update you need to be able to store the new firmware in a temp area, verify it and then activate it. Old devices don't have enough memory but that's changing. Also, most new firmware needs new hardware features so this capability may not be that useful in practice.
Re:Why People with Brain Implants Are Afraid to Go Through A...
by nobodyorother on Thursday July 06, 2017 @02:25PM
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It's more than liability, reducing physical access requirements opens up a much larger attack surface.
I know if someone's opened up my skull. I assume everyone has some sort of multi-band wireless transceiver in their pocket, because that's a cell phone.
Re:Why People with Brain Implants Are Afraid to Go Through A...
by fapjacks on Thursday July 06, 2017 @01:35PM
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No, they do not. Any device upgrades (including e.g. firmware) require surgery.
Re:Why People with Brain Implants Are Afraid to Go Through A...
by vxNsr on Thursday July 06, 2017 @02:13PM
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Well you could probably disguise it inside of one of those driver caps, and I would think a copper mesh might be better... Though depending on the source of the interference a full head (ski)mask-like hat might be required.