I hear a lot about how we shouldn't have abortions, but I worry more about all the kids and babies in foster care that aren't getting the love and attention they deserve. Another hugely underfunded system that is notorious for abuse.
I've got nothing against people being for life, and having kids. I'd suggest they go adopt a few kids rather than having them though. It's probably what Jesus would want you to do.
But I can't and won't prescribe for everyone or even me before I'd have to make such a choice. Life is strange, and complicated in so many ways. Ways so crazy people couldn't invent them if they tried. I personally don't think we need to make it harder on anyone.
Think about the trolley problem. In one case you passively kill 4 people and in the other case you actively kill 1. Pro life people would probably choose to passively kill 4 while pro choice would probably choose to actively kill 1.
Sometimes what the majority wants, is wrong.
Basically same thing with other property rights. Can't vote a person out of their belongings.
The "pro-life" label is silly. I don't believe people should have more children (I don't have any). Avoiding unwanted pregancies i.e. contraception is a solved problem. Contraception should be freely available as a matter of public health, just as vaccines are.
Hate to burst your bubble, though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_birth_control_me...
I'm sorry man, but I just lived for 5 years in one of the worst ghettos in the country, ranked top 3% in the country in the nation for crime, and it is ungodly to witness on a daily basis what small children are subject to in places of extreme violence, crime, poverty, where the nearest grocery store is 10 miles away, much less anything else. I also live in the far north, and these children suffer in the winter.
Oh and while I'm ranting on about how horrible it is for the children, I'll just throw in the mostly irrelevant existence of the women in these areas, and the emotional, oral and physical violence I have witnessed them be subject to and thats in public. I get chills thinking what these women are subject to in private.
I've seen heroine addicts with their children dumpster diving for food in the back of my alley way on a Saturday morning as a routine, even trained their older children age 7/8 to dumpster dive for food, in America...
I've seen a mother, in a place where uber/lyft arent allowed, wait 45min for a $40 cab with melting frozen chicken nuggets she got on welfare, and sat with her and her 6 yr old son at 10pm at night, so she could not have to walk him through the worst part of the ghetto after the public transportation stopped running, because her shift ran late and it took an hour to ride the bus to pick up her son from her mothers house where he was being watched after school.
If at any time a mother or a potential mother, particularly one living in poverty and an area of high crime with no childcare situation, think they are not fit to have kids, we are doing ourselves as a society, the women, and these children, particularly one with a history of drug problems, or an in and out heroine addict, or a woman living in a violent home deems herself unfit to have children or raise them,regardless of how healthy they are in the womb a disservice to force them into existence, unless of course you would like to sit in the back of my alleyway and hand out food, coats, anti-voilence and rape education and other things that require raising "healthy" children.
The only thing violent and cruel in my opinion is for you, as a third party, to decide above a mother who is willing to admit shes unfit as a parent, that she will have kids and that your unnamed private charity will somehow rear this child a healthy unbringing.
I'm afraid you are just wrong about what encompasses having and raising healthy children,
If you look at this from the perspective of the potential mothers, the potential children, or pure economics, we are dooming ourselves as a society.
The only thing left standing as a pillar in the face of progress of enabling our society to help itself out of a viscious cycle of poverty and crime, is the emotional blackmail upon the masses guised under the idea that there is a morality based on either political, or religious, or other philosophical reference points formed by people who are not potential mothers, and CLEARLY not subjects of extreme poverty, that can be placed absolutely on all situations, where in all situations, the mother is left raising a child in poverty stricken hell with no resources because your local white suburban church and Fox news told you this is all a conspiracy, and anyways she was being irresponsible.
nonsense.
For anyone who has the opinion that mothers should be forced to have babies and if they didnt solve the problem "in time" its their own fault/ responsibility from that point on AND/OR that the private charity your local church is giving to is making a difference, I strongly recommend you go live in a real ghetto/poverty stricken area for atleast 6 months and walk the streets on a daily basis, and come out of your ignorance and then talk to me about all the things you think poverty stricken mothers should and should not do, and what they should be responsible for.
I'd honestly love to hear it....
I am tired of hearing the pro life argument from stay at home moms in suburbia who need to pass a law to scare their preteens into not getting into trouble and doing their homework instead, because of their inadequate parenting to be frank, and 50 + yr old white men who have never truly suffered in their life. Why are they so concerned with the suffering of unborn lives and not the suffering the millions of people producing these potentially born lives, in neighborhoods and areas they have never lived in?
it is always really interesting to see what few and far between things peak the interest of republican suburban white people enough for them to form an opinion, regarding entire demographics they will never interact with while driving their mini van to the local grocery store down the traffic circle. It is always over things that have nothing to do with them, do not limit their personal ability to live out their lives the way they think is "right" and is almost always because something someone else theyve never met in a situation theyve never been in is making a decision that is offensive to their way of life which again, they could continue to live out in complete isolated ignorance in the comfort of suburbia if they chose, but they choose to embarass our country by suddenly caring about what poor people are and are not entitled to.
They need a law to point to and say "see? I am right, those people are wrong, they are sluts, they are irresponsible and they are not trying hard enough, and actually I am being humane and doing the right thing by telling those women I've never met what to do with their bodies. Obviously a bunch of white 50 yr old men in congress agree with me so now I can say aha, my way of life is superior."
This is rather disingenuous if you're referring to the practice of making sure one's children are healthy by murdering the unhealthy ones before birth. If, on the other hand, you refer to the coexistence of pro-life positions with being unwilling to allocate money to healthcare... Yeah, that's unfortunate, although not inherently contradictory (in my experience, both frequently co-occur with a strong emphasis on private charity rather that government services).