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Re:Customer's 20-year-old email account shut down over unusu... by firethief on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @04:31PM (#14698093)
This kind of thing is why it's foolish to use an email server that doesn't offer IMAP access. IMAP is what allows you to get your own data to do with what you will.
Re:Customer's 20-year-old email account shut down over unusu... by notatoad on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @09:10PM (#14699364)
Eastlink is a popular ISP, not just a webmail provider. They almost certainly do offer IMAP access to their email accounts. and this help page[1] seems to support that.

[1]http://my.eastlink.ca/customersupport/internet/faqs/email.as...

Re:Customer's 20-year-old email account shut down over unusu... by firethief on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @02:30PM (#14704968)
Hm, I think the article also alludes to that near the end. So it's not clear why Morshead "is facing the daunting task of going through almost two decades of email messages" to decide what to keep. It sounds like he doesn't understand (nor the journalist) that he can retrieve his emails en masse.
Re:Customer's 20-year-old email account shut down over unusu... by cperciva on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @04:42PM (#14698158)
Some of us still use POP3.
Re:Customer's 20-year-old email account shut down over unusu... by ddalex on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @05:39PM (#14698470)
And they guy doing the Primitive Technology videos is building a civilization with his bare hands, but the rest of us prefer some decent tools.
Re:Customer's 20-year-old email account shut down over unusu... by vacri on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @06:09PM (#14698650)
What benefits do you see to using POP3 over IMAP?
Re:Customer's 20-year-old email account shut down over unusu... by Angostura on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @06:19PM (#14698696)
I use POP3 for some services. I have one mailbox that I share with my wife as a joint household e-mail address (we both also have personal addresses). Having syncing between devices would be a nightmare as things would get marked read by the other person. Yes, I could set it up to forward to our personal mailboxes, but it's been working fine for 20 years, so why change.

More importantly with POP - you mail gets downloaded to your device and then that's it. It's yours, secure, for you to manage. With IMAP there's always the possibility of the ISPs server hiccuping and deleting mail off your machine that you thought you had safely downloaded.

Re:Customer's 20-year-old email account shut down over unusu... by mirimir on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @12:54AM (#14700042)
Even with IMAP, you can secure messages by moving them to local folders. And with multiple devices, you can move a different set of messages to each device. You can also move messages back to the inbox, in order to share with another device.

I used to be a POP fanatic, mostly because I didn't like the idea of leaving copies on the server. But then, the NSA probably logs everything, so hey.

Re:Customer's 20-year-old email account shut down over unusu... by cperciva on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @06:11PM (#14698658)
It's not that I see a benefit to POP3; it's just that I've never seen a reason to switch. I download my email to a desktop client.
Re:Customer's 20-year-old email account shut down over unusu... by Sir_Substance on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @06:15PM (#14698676)
IMAP does that as well, you just don't have to delete it from the server to do so.
Re:Customer's 20-year-old email account shut down over unusu... by cperciva on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @08:00PM (#14699097)
You can run POP3 without deleting mail from the server. The POP3 commands for "download message" and "delete message" are completely independent; I typically have my mail client set to delete messages from the server 14 days after downloading them, so that I'll always have recent email in two places.
Re:Customer's 20-year-old email account shut down over unusu... by criddell on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @08:45PM (#14699259)
I know people that use it because they think it is better from a privacy standpoint.

It might not be correct now but at one point the Electronic Communications Privacy Act stipulated that data left on a server for more than 180 days is considered to be abandoned and the government can easily and legally access it.

Re:Customer's 20-year-old email account shut down over unusu... by mirimir on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @12:57AM (#14700057)
Yes, there is that. But in reality, the NSA arguably has copies of everything. Or at least, metadata. And it almost certainly retains copies of all encrypted messages.
Re:Customer's 20-year-old email account shut down over unusu... by criddell on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @10:20AM (#14702582)
I'm more worried about the situation where somebody reveals some corruption in a small town police department and the police decide to investigate that individual by looking at that person's "abandoned" data.
Re:Customer's 20-year-old email account shut down over unusu... by snakeanus on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @09:19PM (#14699407)
I use Maildir over ssh/sftp.
Re:Customer's 20-year-old email account shut down over unusu... by jbg_ on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @05:39PM (#14698471)
Yes, I believe that is what parent was calling foolish.
Re:Customer's 20-year-old email account shut down over unusu... by richardwhiuk on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @05:51PM (#14698543)
No, I believe the parent was calling web access foolish. POP3 forces you to have your own data.
Re:Customer's 20-year-old email account shut down over unusu... by RUTHLESS_RUFUS on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @07:10PM (#14698899)
You know those isolated tribes throwing spears at helicopters? You're them.