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Re:What Is Space? by Razengan on Monday July 03, 2017 @09:04PM (#14692727)
Some related questions that I don't know where, or how, to ask:

- Is there a “quantum” of space? Where/how is location stored?

- If electromagnetic repulsion is what makes matter “take space”, and if virtually all macroscopic phenomena are governed by electromagnetism and gravity, then could this reality be said to be “gravelectromagnetic”, and might there be other “dimensions” governed by other forces, like “cones” extending in differing “directions” from the subatomic scale? [0]

- Could gravity be the result of space trying to deflate/return to the pre-Big Bang singularity, kind of like pulling magnets apart? i.e. is gravity the “opposite” of, or a reaction to, “space?”

[0]: http://i.imgur.com/6meZmc2.png

Re:What Is Space? by sillysaurus3 on Monday July 03, 2017 @11:57PM (#14693445)
Could gravity be the result of space trying to deflate/return to the pre-Big Bang singularity, kind of like pulling magnets apart? i.e. is gravity the “opposite” of, or a reaction to, “space?”

I may be off the mark with what you believe, but just in case:

It's a common misconception that the big bang originated at a specific point. The big bang seems to have happened everywhere simultaneously, so it wouldn't be true to say that gravity is pulling everything back toward a point of origin.

Here's an excellent video on misconceptions about the universe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBr4GkRnY04

(Ironically, the video was created because the creator was a scientist, yet they fell into the trap of believing something incorrect to the point of being publicly mistaken about it. The universe is extremely counterintuitive!)

Re:What Is Space? by monort on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @07:36AM (#14695201)
This only applies if the universe is infinite. We don't know it for sure, though we have a lower bound of the universe size at 250 Hubble volumes: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1745-3933.2011....

And infinite universe brings strange phenomenons, like our doppelgangers far away, that are exactly like us.

Re:What Is Space? by hau on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @01:41AM (#14700170)
Infinite universe can contain infinite set of objects without any of them being your doppleganger. Unless there's only limited set of objects that can exist in universe at all which doesn't seem likely.
Re:What Is Space? by jsmthrowaway on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @02:32AM (#14693958)
Holy shit, the Big Bang happened everywhere simultaneously because the Big Bang brought quantum fields into existence. Wow. I get it now.

As a non-physicist, wording it like that made a lot that I didn't understand suddenly click.

Re:What Is Space? by andyjohnson0 on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @04:08AM (#14694327)
> the Big Bang happened everywhere simultaneously

Until the big bang happened there wasn't any "where" for anything to happen in

Re:What Is Space? by jdkuuuu on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @04:41AM (#14694461)
This really makes it sound like a simulation
Re:What Is Space? by RUTHLESS_RUFUS on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @01:43PM (#14697212)
The Big Heap Allocation.
Re:What Is Space? by ChuckMcM on Monday July 03, 2017 @11:20PM (#14693280)
There are a number of interesting places to start, if you want to be traditional start with reading about the Standard Model, if you want to be avant-garde start reading about String Theory :-).

I have come at the question a bit like you have, starting with Faraday and Maxwell for the electromagnetic theory, adding Lorentz and Einstein for the time and space dilation effects of general relativity. And when you start looking at light as an expanding wavefront alternating between a magnetic form and a electrostatic form and thinking about how the frequency of that oscillation relates to the other fundamental constants in the universe like the speed of light and the planck constant, you might start to wonder, as I have, whether a wavefront at the speed of light would mass appear as a side effect because it was distorting space time so hard it was dragging it around?

Its a lot of fun to think about.

Re:What Is Space? by resu_nimda on Monday July 03, 2017 @10:52PM (#14693181)
- The Planck units [0] are generally associated with the attempt to quantize space and time.

- Macroscopic phenomena are in turn governed by microscopic phenomena, where the strong and weak forces dominate, so I would say our dimension is equally governed by those. At high energies we know the electromagnetic and weak forces combine into the "electroweak" force, and it is commonly hypothesized that at even higher energies (such as those seen only during the very beginning of the Big Bang), all of the forces are unified. If you already knew that or were talking about something else, my apologies.

- There is the concept of the Big Crunch, where gravity would pull the universe back to a single point, perhaps in an infinite cycle. To the best of our current knowledge though, the expansion of the universe is actually accelerating, and gravity will not overtake it.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_units

Re:What Is Space? by chiefofgxbxl on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @02:00AM (#14693832)
From my understanding (just a Quantum Physics I class, I could be wrong here) the Planck units quantize space or time to the extent that they define the smallest thing we can practically measure due to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, but they do not preclude that things can actually be smaller than that. That is, something like length or time can be continuous, but our measurements can only ever be discrete multiples of the corresponding Planck constants.

For example, a really small object can have a length smaller than the Planck length, but we wouldn't truly know how long it was because the Planck length acts as a fundamental limit on the precision/granularity of our measuring instruments.

Re:What Is Space? by richrichardsson on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @03:59AM (#14694291)
> For example, a really small object can have a length smaller than the Planck length, but we wouldn't truly know how long it was because the Planck length acts as a fundamental limit on the precision/granularity of our measuring instruments.

Would that be, to all intents and purposes, undetectable by us then? If so then that might be a possible explanation of "dark matter", assuming all these things were individually smaller than the Planck length.

Re:What Is Space? by spynxic on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @12:02PM (#14696601)
> Would that be, to all intents and purposes, undetectable by us then?

In so far as our means for measuring particles doesn't change; namely, smashing things together at extremely high energies.

If you suppose that there are methods for measuring sub-Planck length areas then one must assume that they involve either: energies lower than those believed to be needed (which doesn't necessarily come to a solution, but pushes the problem to even higher energies and shorter lengths) OR that there is a default force that keeps space-time stable unless high energies are approached.

Note that both notions are mere speculation, the first on logic and the second on intuition about phase changes in states of matter.

Re:What Is Space? by FreeFull on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @05:34PM (#14698441)
Also, it's possible that the actual quantum of space is larger than the corresponding Planck unit.
Re:What Is Space? by andyjohnson0 on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @04:15AM (#14694351)
> the Big Crunch, where gravity would pull the universe back to a single point

Just as the big bang didn't happen in a single place, a Big Crunch wouldn't be a contraction back to a single point. Rather, the scale factor [1] that characterises cosmic expansion would simply(!) decline back to zero.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale_factor_(cosmology)

Re:What Is Space? by raattgift on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @03:41AM (#14700548)
Well, "we don't know" applies here.

To a first order approximation (e.g. in the FLRW perfect fluid model), a Big Crunch would resemble a time-reversal of the standard big bang cosmology.

In our universe, time reversal results in galaxies appearing at a comoving observer's horizon, and everything inside the horizon becoming denser and hotter.

Ultimately the density and heat is expected to result in beyond-the-Standard Model physics in the matter sector, and (hopefully) new physics in the gravitational sector.

We don't really know what those physics will be. Everyone hopes for something that prevents a gravitational singularity from forming, but so far what we have in terms of possible stabilizers are conjectural at best.

The time-reversals of Big Crunch and the usual-forward-time big bang cosmology with structure formation relate to the BH information loss problem. For a non-eternal BH when we time-reverse from i+ we have a gas of Hawking radiation that collapses into a time-reversed BH which eventually emits matter with much less (Boltzmann) entropy -- ions, molecules, dust, stars and even the things orbiting them. (A time-reversed stellar BH likewise will eventually spit out a white dwarf or neutron star with their respective complex layerings). How does a time-reversed BH "know" how to spit out whole stellar-mass objects when only time-reversed Hawking radiation fell into it? Most quantum gravity programmes hope that strong gravity[1] produces an environment where this sort of (time-reversed) structure formation is likely.

Flipping the arrow(s)-of-time is extremely useful for reasoning in a setting in which strong gravity is important, and extra-underlines the question of why we have the arrow(s)-of-time we do in the first place. "Boundary conditions did it" is pretty unsatisfying.

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[1] i.e., where the radius of curvature is on the order of the Planck length; this mostly comes from the non-renormalizability of perturbatively quantized gravity (where we quantize perturbations of a background metric) and from work in finding the effective field theory limit of semiclassical gravity; generally it's very close to a gravitational singularity and -- depending on the censorship conjecture -- always invisible to outside observers.

Re:What Is Space? by tombh on Monday July 03, 2017 @10:41PM (#14693136)
Nothing to add, I just love where your questions send my mind, thank you.
Re:What Is Space? by Razengan on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @12:41AM (#14693586)
You may enjoy contemplating a sort of "epiphany" that I had during that usual pondering of imponderables:

That the default or base state of existence may not be nothing, not "not even nothing", but rather Everything. ...

Instead of viewing the origin of all reality/creation as things being added to a canvas of blackness/emptiness/voidness, rather consider that "Existence" may be a subtractive process: akin to holes being poked into a canvas of white, or bubbles in a boiling liquid.

(I mean even before the Big Bang, or the classic "Who Created God"/Prime Mover/First Cause question – humans are given to assuming that the start of anything must be Zero or Nothingness, that the end of everything is Oblivion, and that may not be the case.)

Our existence is a "filter", our perceptions being a very limited subset of everything that's around us, of select wavelengths and frequencies and etc. This entire universe could just be a transient bubble inside a flood of Everythingness. [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_vacuum#Existential_threa...

Re:What Is Space? by furyofantares on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @03:56AM (#14694279)
I've had the same thought about the starting from nothing rather than everything, but in an entirely different context.

Axiomatic Set Theory is taught starting with the empty set as an axiom and along with a small number of additional axioms, and from that you can build the integers and rationals and real numbers as well as an impressive hierarchy of different infinities. And one thing that's proved is there is no largest infinity, no set that contains all sets. There isn't an Everything set that's consistent with the Peano axioms.

However, you could build the entire system starting with the Everything set and similarly modify all the axioms to be analagously subtractive rather than additive, deriving in some sense every inverse theorem, including that there is no empty set, no Nothing.

When you do this you immediately at working with insane objects and intuition fails miserably in a way that building the other way doesn't.

Re:What Is Space? by enugu on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @10:10AM (#14695965)
I remember a mention somewhere of this kind of approach to inverse foundations for set theory, but lost track of the reference. IIRC, the approach didnt have problem with empty set, but would allow the existence as a default until some obstruction. So, 'large sets' (nowadays called proper classes) would exist.
Re:What Is Space? by michaelscott on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @07:42AM (#14695232)
I recently had a somewhat tangential conversation with someone, wherein the relationship between order and chaos in the universe (and specifically our case as the human race) is a function of increasing time. Humans attempt to create order from the chaotic environment, not creating more complex things in the process but simply refining what already exists (although there seem to be unavoidable patterns of "order" that recur in the universe regardless of us or any advanced organism).

This certainly fits with the idea that the universe is an attempted "ordering" bubble in a liquid of everything

Re:What Is Space? by jsmthrowaway on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @02:51AM (#14694038)
This is a common theme many human societies and cultures have developed, and it makes a lot of sense when you really (really) think about it. When you take it further, you realize that also implies everything being connected fundamentally, which is an another interesting thought space to explore with a litany of deep implications, particularly around consciousness.
Re:What Is Space? by anentropic on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @09:54AM (#14695886)
it doesn't obviously imply anything to do with consciousness
Re:What Is Space? by Razengan on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @02:42PM (#14697524)
Parent Edit: I suppose I should've just used the convenient CMYK vs. RGB analogy instead of "holes." :)
Re:What Is Space? by peter303 on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @09:04AM (#14695614)
Plancks quantum of action says there a minimum length of space 10^-35 meters below which no experiment can measure. Some asume this is a quantum of space, but not necessarily so. Some physicists suggest the universe is very strange at this length scale and may a sea of boiling virtual particles.
Re:What Is Space? by zecg on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @07:38AM (#14695212)
Re:What Is Space? by jacobolus on Monday July 03, 2017 @10:26PM (#14693065)
From what I understand nobody knows the answer to your first question, but there’s been speculation both ways.

As for your second question, you might want to start with something like Feynman’s book QED.

Re:What Is Space? by ryukafalz on Monday July 03, 2017 @11:38PM (#14693373)
>Where/how is location stored?

Is this even a meaningful question? My understanding of "where" is that it's referring to a location within space.

Re:What Is Space? by comboy on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @05:10AM (#14694590)
r/askscience on reddit is my go to place for this kind of questions
Re:What Is Space? by piotroxp on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @02:47AM (#14694022)
Find Piotr Slupski on Quora and read his answers