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Re:Not Just Mike Pence. Americans Are Wary of Being Alone wi... by eropple on Monday July 03, 2017 @02:43AM (#14686329)
I didn't downvote you, but your post is hyperbolic and creates barriers for women out of unrealized, unrealistic fear. In particular:

> One accusation of ill-doing on my part and my life is essentially over.

This flies in the face of of...well, just about everything, in most industrialized countries. Serial sexual harassers get away with it for a long time and men who out-and-out assault women do to; somewhere almost certainly north of 50% (NARAL says 90%) of rapes go unreported and of those something like a quarter are ever brought to trial. Being fired--maybe--doesn't make your life "essentially over", and (in the US and the parts of Europe I'm familiar with) there's nothing that can be disclosed to a future employer to say "hey, that dude's a creep" without opening the former employer up to potential danger.

And to be crystal clear, everything I just said is a bug, not a feature. Sexual predators in the workplace, most of whom are male, by and large get away with it. It's why the last couple weeks of dudes not getting away with it are so notable. Fearing the same is temporarily-embarrassed-millionaire silliness projected into a new realm, nothing more.

Re:Not Just Mike Pence. Americans Are Wary of Being Alone wi... by dijit on Monday July 03, 2017 @02:53AM (#14686375)
I get what you're saying. There are many examples of people doing shitty things and getting away with it; at the same time I work in Sweden; a country that has quite some sensitivity regarding what constitutes rape (strongly suggestive comments are legally rape).

It _might_ slide off me if someone accused me of something. But I really wouldn't put that to the test; at the same time. If you can mitigate the risk then why wouldn't you?

And again, the female perspective (that I could be abusive, hurtful or a rapist) is certainly enough to dissuade "alone time" for them, _especially_ if I, as a man, were able to get away with things like you were suggesting.

Re:Not Just Mike Pence. Americans Are Wary of Being Alone wi... by eropple on Monday July 03, 2017 @03:24AM (#14686501)
> And again, the female perspective (that I could be abusive, hurtful or a rapist) is certainly enough to dissuade "alone time" for them

On this, I think you and I are in agreement. I've never managed women (had women managers, though), and thinking through how to square that circle is something that I'd probably want to talk to my director about. Not because of fear of consequences for me, but to provide the best environment for my coworkers.

Re:Not Just Mike Pence. Americans Are Wary of Being Alone wi... by visarga on Monday July 03, 2017 @03:02AM (#14686408)
Maybe the feminists will realize how much indirect damage this policy of fear creates. Making women so self conscious and class-struggle conscious is affecting good men and making them change their attitude in a way. Suspecting all men of being potential rapists is not a good way to build communication and work/learn together.
Re:Not Just Mike Pence. Americans Are Wary of Being Alone wi... by dang on Monday July 03, 2017 @03:03AM (#14686412)
Would you please stop posting ideological battle comments to HN? This is not the kind of discussion we want here.
Re:Not Just Mike Pence. Americans Are Wary of Being Alone wi... by visarga on Monday July 03, 2017 @03:09AM (#14686435)
> not the kind of discussion we want here

Apparently you are an admin here. Sorry, I didn't realize you were representing me as well. I'll make sure to avoid the topic from now on, it doesn't rime with PC. I'll make sure to only debate in agreement.

Re:Not Just Mike Pence. Americans Are Wary of Being Alone wi... by dang on Monday July 03, 2017 @01:56PM (#14690155)
It's not about choosing $ideology1 over $ideology2, it's about trying to avoid the entire genre of internet flamewar. Trying and failing, but perhaps we can fail better.
Re:Not Just Mike Pence. Americans Are Wary of Being Alone wi... by visarga on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @04:28AM (#14694405)
Yep. I took some time and cooled off. Incidentally I saw you defending me from a flaming comment just one day before, while inspecting my history. So I guess it's fair because it applies to everyone. Keep up the good work and you won't have to worry from me any more.