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Re:EPA: Pruitt will launch program to 'critique' climate sci... by Bud on Friday June 30, 2017 @01:03PM (#14672042)
Freeman Dyson is not a climate scientist at all and never has been. Roy Spencer isn't a "renowned scientist"; he's a paid oil-industry shill. Lindzen used to be a scientist; now he's retired and gets paid to be a Cato Institute shill. Judith Curry also used to be a scientist and quit her academic job; presumably being a shill pays WAY better.

So, basically, yes, they are all bought and paid for, or, they simply have no credentials or knowledge of the field in question.

Re:EPA: Pruitt will launch program to 'critique' climate sci... by voice_of_reason on Friday June 30, 2017 @01:12PM (#14672116)
Dyson is a renowned physicist interested in climate science. I believe that his physics/math skills and general intelligence allow him to be quite competent in climate issues.

Lindzen retired only in 2013. I don't see how this makes his opinion about CAGW less valuable, especially given the fact that he was skeptical about CAGW hypothesis for a long time.

"Judith Curry also used to be a scientist and quit her academic job; presumably being a shill pays WAY better." - where's the proof that she is a "shill"?

Roy Spencer is a renowned scientist in my book: "Roy Warren Spencer is a meteorologist, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, and the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA's Aqua satellite. He has served as senior scientist for climate studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center."

Again, where is the proof that he is oil industry's shill?

Re:EPA: Pruitt will launch program to 'critique' climate sci... by mturmon on Friday June 30, 2017 @01:23PM (#14672203)
To my knowledge, Freeman Dyson has no peer reviewed research contributions in the climate literature. That should be the price of entry, otherwise there is nothing of substance to critique.
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Re:EPA: Pruitt will launch program to 'critique' climate sci... by dang on Saturday July 01, 2017 @07:48PM (#14679799)
Please don't do this here.
Re:EPA: Pruitt will launch program to 'critique' climate sci... by voice_of_reason on Friday June 30, 2017 @01:35PM (#14672313)
There are climate scientists who are proponents of CAGW and who believe in creationism: http://www.christianpost.com/news/climate-change-evangelical...

Does it automatically make CAGW hypothesis wrong? Does it make their skills and knowledge in climate science less valuable?

Re:EPA: Pruitt will launch program to 'critique' climate sci... by grasshopperpurp on Friday June 30, 2017 @01:43PM (#14672371)
"Does it make their skills and knowledge in climate science less valuable?"

I was speaking specifically of Spencer, and, yes, it calls into question everything he professes.

Re:EPA: Pruitt will launch program to 'critique' climate sci... by Karunamon on Friday June 30, 2017 @01:07PM (#14672082)
This is exactly what I meant by fallacies. Either their research is legitimate or it is not. And that legitimacy is not a factor of the employer - if their science sucks, it'll manifest in the data, analysis, or conclusions, regardless of who's paying for it.

"Shills" is an insult, not an argument.

Re:EPA: Pruitt will launch program to 'critique' climate sci... by grasshopperpurp on Friday June 30, 2017 @01:24PM (#14672215)
Are you qualified to decipher the data? Honest question.
Re:EPA: Pruitt will launch program to 'critique' climate sci... by Bud on Friday June 30, 2017 @01:51PM (#14672441)
They aren't doing any "research".
Re:EPA: Pruitt will launch program to 'critique' climate sci... by oh_sigh on Friday June 30, 2017 @01:29PM (#14672255)
So basically, anyone who is a respectable scientist who disagrees with this is a shill?
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Re:EPA: Pruitt will launch program to 'critique' climate sci... by dang on Saturday July 01, 2017 @07:47PM (#14679796)
This breaks the HN guidelines. Please remain civil, regardless of how wrong someone else is.
Re:EPA: Pruitt will launch program to 'critique' climate sci... by oh_sigh on Friday June 30, 2017 @04:00PM (#14673289)
I know what the word shill means, and your inverse variant of red-baiting isn't very effective. Simply taking money from some group does not mean you are a shill for that group.