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Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by mikeash on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @04:47PM (#14649276)
Dirigibles require huge volumes, because the lifting power of gas is small. Those huge volumes make for a relatively weak, slow, and difficult-to-maneuver craft. A big reason why airships disappeared in favor of airplanes was that airships had a really tough time handling or avoiding bad weather because of these limitations.
Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by jp555 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @05:46PM (#14649792)
I have a blurry recollection of seeing an aircraft design that was a combination of an airplane and a dirigible. It looked like a poofy manta ray, an inflated rigid lifting body or flying wing. It wasn't quite VTOL & needed a very short runway, but it also gained more maneuverability in flight. Maybe it was too much of a compromise though.
Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by astebbin on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @06:54PM (#14650295)
Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by theophrastus on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @06:27PM (#14650119)
Perhaps you're thinking of the infamous 'Deltoid Pumpkinseed'[1][2] ?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEREON_26

[2] https://www.amazon.com/Deltoid-Pumpkin-Seed-John-McPhee/dp/0...

Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by cr0sh on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @06:51PM (#14650271)
You mean this one?

http://mashable.com/2017/05/24/airlander-butt-plane-successf...

There's actually been more than one of these types of aircraft (known as Lighter Than Air - or LTA Aircraft), either as an idea or prototype throughout history.

Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by sk8ingdom on Wednesday June 28, 2017 @12:04PM (#14655322)
That type of vehicle is called a hybrid airship!

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_airship

Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by DrScump on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @08:55PM (#14650901)
The lifting power of helium is small, as opposed to hydrogen. Also, helium has supply problems.

Is it not possible to have a modern airship with hydrogen as its primary lifting agent?

Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by mikeash on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @09:13PM (#14650977)
Hydrogen doesn't buy you that much additional lifting power.

Air is about 1.2kg/m^3 at STP, so that's the theoretical maximum you can lift with a cubic meter of gas bag. (And you can only get that value if you could somehow hold a vacuum, of course.)

Hydrogen is about 0.09kg/m^3 at STP, so you can lift about 1.1kg/m^3. Helium is about 0.18kg/m^3, so you can lift about 1kg/m^3. Helium is twice as dense, but that only costs you about 10% of your lifting power since both are so light compared to air.

I see no reason you couldn't use hydrogen, but I don't know if anyone would want to take the risk. (Specific flaws of the Hindenburg aside, hydrogen is explosive across a distressingly wide range of mixture ratios with air.) If you did use hydrogen, I think the main motivation would be avoiding the use of scarce helium, not the minor increase in lift capacity.

Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by ForHackernews on Wednesday June 28, 2017 @05:46AM (#14652842)
If it's an unmanned drone-blimp, the safety issue because somewhat less critical.
Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by gozur88 on Wednesday June 28, 2017 @09:28PM (#14660075)
But still critical enough to make it impractical. How would you do maintenance on a hydrogen airship without risking the people doing the maintenance? And you'd never be able to fly over populated areas.
Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by petre on Wednesday June 28, 2017 @12:14AM (#14651635)
It is possible but we all know what happened to the Hindenburg. Using hydrogen is asking for a fire to happen.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindenburg_disaster

Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by lostlogin on Wednesday June 28, 2017 @03:21AM (#14652288)
Keep in mind that the Hindenburg was supposed to be helium filled, but due to import restrictions they couldn't get enough.
Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by DrScump on Wednesday June 28, 2017 @12:34AM (#14651709)
Far more helium airships have wrecked than hydrogen airships, even counting only before the Hindenburg.
Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by petre on Wednesday June 28, 2017 @12:43AM (#14651736)
Wrecked, yes, but they probably didn't burn like a torch with people jumping out of them to avoid burning alive.
Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by Nomentatus on Friday June 30, 2017 @05:30PM (#14673713)
What you saw was the engine-fuel burning on the ground; the hydrogen went straight up in flames and burnt no-one.
Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by honestoHeminway on Wednesday June 28, 2017 @02:38AM (#14652119)
Vacuum still has the best lifting power of them all..
Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by guelo on Wednesday June 28, 2017 @03:09AM (#14652235)
We just need a material as light as a balloon but rigid enough to hold its shape and maintain a huge vacuum at 1 atmosphere outside pressure.
Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by scarmig on Wednesday June 28, 2017 @11:44AM (#14655090)
Perhaps graphene aerogel, with a nonpermeable graphene casing?

I'm not sure of what its behavior would be with all its air sucked out, though.

Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by honestoHeminway on Saturday July 01, 2017 @12:17PM (#14677701)
like a hair full of nothing..
Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by acchow on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @05:27PM (#14649617)
I assume huge volumes are also easily detectible?
Re:MIT’s gas-powered drone is able to stay in the air for fi... by mikeash on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @08:07PM (#14650717)
Seems reasonable. All else being equal, your radar cross section is proportional to your actual cross section. Plus it's probably easy to spot a blimp with your eyes.