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Re:The slow death of the electric guitar by coldtea on Sunday June 25, 2017 @06:21AM (#14629421)
>Diplo and TSwift are as legit as SRV and Dylan. Rock on.

First, if they are, then that's part of the focus of the article. That guitar and guitar rock is waning -- and surely Diplo and TSwift are not bringing it back.

Second, no Diplo and TSwift are not as legit as SRV and Dylan. Not because they are different genres, but because they are inferior artistically (regardless of genre).

They might be equally entertaining or whatever, in a "it's a free country and I can listen to whatever I like", but artistically they're not even close (and SRV is not in the same league for cultural impact as Dylan anyway).

It's not about the past. There are contemporary electronic, edm, r&b, hip hop etc artists that are on par with SRV and Dylan on creative merits, but TSwift and Diplo are not them -- like the Monkeys weren't as good as The Beatles, and Frankie Avalon was no Elvis.

Re:The slow death of the electric guitar by colbyh on Sunday June 25, 2017 @11:04AM (#14630292)
how does it feel up on that high horse? there are no absolutes in music (as an art form) so you really can't say that Diplo is less important than Dylan until long after both are dead. even then, Diplo is influencing a ton of kids and will have impact that way for decades to come so where do you draw the line?

Dylan himself probably never thought he'd be as important a musician as his heroes - Elvis, Little Richard, etc. but now they are all in the same conversation.

music is fun. the expected almost never happens.

Re:The slow death of the electric guitar by coldtea on Sunday June 25, 2017 @01:55PM (#14631242)
>how does it feel up on that high horse?

It feels great. It's called culture, and being aware of it, not a blind consumer of what tastes good (McDonalds tastes good too).

>there are no absolutes in music (as an art form)

No, but human culture has, and always had, a way to prfioritize what's important and what's not besides mere consumption or influence (crap has also influenced a lot of imitators).

>Dylan himself probably never thought he'd be as important a musician as his heroes - Elvis, Little Richard, etc. but now they are all in the same conversation.

That's irrelevant though, because it's not the artist that determines their own worth but their work, its quality, and its cultural impact.

>music is fun. the expected almost never happens.

Except with TSwift, Diplo and co songs. Where it almost always happens.

Re:The slow death of the electric guitar by colbyh on Sunday June 25, 2017 @04:44PM (#14632067)
>It feels great. It's called culture, and being aware of it, not a blind consumer of what tastes good (McDonalds tastes good too).

oh please, elitism isn't culture it's a perspective. you have a perspective about the things you like which is no more or less valid than anyone else's. no matter how enlightened you think you are when it comes to music I promise there is an entire subculture that finds your tastes closer to "blind consumption" than "true music fan". 100% relative.

>No, but human culture has, and always had, a way to prfioritize what's important and what's not besides mere consumption or influence (crap has also influenced a lot of imitators).

please, please describe for me this mechanism by which "human culture" has prioritized important art. I would love to hear what unassailable framework you think draws a line between "important" and "crap".

Re:The slow death of the electric guitar by markeroon on Sunday June 25, 2017 @10:18AM (#14630087)
If you want to argue that Taylor Swift is technically inferior then that's fine, but tens of millions of young women disagree with assertions of her "artistic inferiority", and I'd be curious to know why your opinion matters more than theirs.
Re:The slow death of the electric guitar by coldtea on Sunday June 25, 2017 @02:00PM (#14631259)
>and I'd be curious to know why your opinion matters more than theirs

Because populism doesn't say much. One can find tens of millions supporting any kind of trash in all areas of public life (wanna talk about politics for example?).

Informed opinions matter more than uninformed ones, and we're beyond the point that the merit of Taylor Swift vs Dylan (or sugary constructed commercial pop for quick consumption and singing songwriting that defined a generation and then some and made it to the Nobel) is seriously argued.

Re:The slow death of the electric guitar by thatwebdude on Monday June 26, 2017 @10:11AM (#14636913)
OP values Dylan over Tay-Tay. That's okay. My daughter thinks the opposite. That's also okay, and evolution of popular music.
Re:The slow death of the electric guitar by yodiployo on Wednesday June 28, 2017 @06:44AM (#14653040)
> "you really can't say that Diplo is less important than Dylan until long after both are dead"

This a hundred times. If you look at YouTube views, Diplo is orders of magnitude ahead. Do you think YouTube is going anywhere?

So, if anything, the read is indicating the other way.