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Re:If You Can’t Ban Cars Downtown, Take Away Parking Spaces by coldtea on Saturday June 24, 2017 @01:02PM (#14626330)
>I don't understand this concept of banning cars

Downtown? It's easy: they're noisy, annoying, polluting, take up space, and designing a city for them results in urban and suburban wastelands as opposed to vibrant, walkable city centers.

>This is a massive reduction of comfort

Well, comfort is not everything. And for obese car-obsessed sedentary people "a massive reduction of comfort" might just what the doctor ordered!

>a burden for families with small children and people with disabilities, as well as businesses and logistics.

And yet, families with small children and businesses have been doing just fine in more traditional and not car-oriented cities.

As for people with disabilities, they can always use mechanized wheelchairs and disability friendly public transport (something car and private-transport obsessed cities usually lack, only allowing the richer disabled people those "comforts").

Re:If You Can’t Ban Cars Downtown, Take Away Parking Spaces by lazyjones on Saturday June 24, 2017 @01:19PM (#14626422)
> Downtown? It's easy: they're noisy, annoying, polluting,

That's simply no longer true with EV.

> And yet, families with small children and businesses have been doing just fine in more traditional and not car-oriented cities.

In those fabulous city centers? Sure! Full of families with small children they are... ;-)

Re:If You Can’t Ban Cars Downtown, Take Away Parking Spaces by majewsky on Saturday June 24, 2017 @02:56PM (#14626916)
EVs are still annoying. When I have to cross a road for cars, I have to wait for the traffic light. Also, I have to be attentive in the first place. That's something I don't have to do to the same same extent in a pedestrian area.

Also, EVs are still noisy because a significant part of the noise of a driving car is produced by the tires, unless driving very slowly.

EDIT: Also, judging from the tone of your last statement, I'm going to guess that you've never been in Europe.

Re:If You Can’t Ban Cars Downtown, Take Away Parking Spaces by lazyjones on Saturday June 24, 2017 @03:54PM (#14627206)
> EDIT: Also, judging from the tone of your last statement, I'm going to guess that you've never been in Europe.

Perhaps you live in a different Europe then, I've lived in Vienna for the past 27 years.

Re:If You Can’t Ban Cars Downtown, Take Away Parking Spaces by majewsky on Sunday June 25, 2017 @09:57AM (#14629981)
I've been to Vienna once (3 years ago), and their public transit system was just as competent and reliable as most others that I've seen in central Europe. The car density was already much lower than what I've observed in the US.
Re:If You Can’t Ban Cars Downtown, Take Away Parking Spaces by coldtea on Saturday June 24, 2017 @03:29PM (#14627087)
>That's simply no longer true with EV.

Which all of 5% of the population or less have.

>In those fabulous city centers? Sure! Full of families with small children they are... ;-)

Ever been to Europe?

Re:If You Can’t Ban Cars Downtown, Take Away Parking Spaces by lazyjones on Saturday June 24, 2017 @03:51PM (#14627192)
> Ever been to Europe?

Yes, pretty much all my life.

Check out who actually lives in city centers here. Elderly people, rich businesspeople without families etc. ...

In Vienna, where I live, the city center has the following demographics:

- 104m² average flat size, housing 1,89 people.

- 32% population over 60 (highest in Vienna's districts), average age 46,3 (vs. 40,5 for all of Vienna)

- 2,3% of the city's population live there, but only 0,7% of its children (and 2,5% of its cars)

Re:If You Can’t Ban Cars Downtown, Take Away Parking Spaces by coldtea on Saturday June 24, 2017 @07:31PM (#14627917)
>- 32% population over 60 (highest in Vienna's districts), average age 46,3 (vs. 40,5 for all of Vienna)

Downtown can also be more expensive than peripheral districts, so older people are more likely to afford housing there. That's not because of less cars though.

But for our purposes, Vienna with all its districts, not just the center, is still far less car oriented than the traditional US city and its suburbs.

>2,3% of the city's population live there, but only 0,7% of its children

Just considering all as single-kid families would account for 2.3% "of the city's population" living there but only 1.5% of its children. And tons of families have only one kid (but of course 2 parents, divorced or not), lots have no kids, and tons of adults are not married yet. Add immigrants (who are more often than not male who come to seek work and don't bring children), and one would expect adult populations to be larger than children population in the same area.

Re:If You Can’t Ban Cars Downtown, Take Away Parking Spaces by awjr on Saturday June 24, 2017 @04:09PM (#14627265)
That may also have to do with what you get for your money and local walkable access to schools causing families to avoid trying to live in the centres.