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Re:If You Can’t Ban Cars Downtown, Take Away Parking Spaces by rayiner on Saturday June 24, 2017 @01:02PM (#14626329)
Cars are a huge impediment to creating walkable downtowns, even if they're green. This is downtown Annapolis, looking down Main Street: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9777543,-76.489652,3a,75y,10.... On a nice summer day (this picture is in October), the sidewalks are packed with tourists, but a handful of cars take up most of the space. Further down the street, you get to this giant expanse of pavement: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9773508,-76.487682,3a,75y,67.... To get from the main drag to the water front (in the distance in the picture), you have to cross this expansive waste of space dedicated to cars.

All for what? The whole downtown area is walkable, and there is a perfectly good multi-level garage at the edge of Main Street for people to park in.

> This is a massive reduction of comfort, a burden for families with small children and people with disabilities, as well as businesses and logistics.

Parents don't need to drive up right to wherever they're going; their children could do with a little walk. I've got a four year old, and we go downtown every weekend. It's no problem to park in the garage and walk half a mile to where we're going. At the same time, it's a big worry to have kids running around with traffic zooming by.

Deliveries and disabled people can be accommodated by permitting busses, special vehicles for the disabled, and commercial deliveries during certain windows. You don't need to permit all vehicle traffic to accommodate those special cases.

Re:If You Can’t Ban Cars Downtown, Take Away Parking Spaces by chc on Saturday June 24, 2017 @01:18PM (#14626413)
It doesn't sound like you're talking about the same thing as anyone else. You're right that parking garages accommodate cars just fine, and nobody here is arguing against parking garages.
Re:If You Can’t Ban Cars Downtown, Take Away Parking Spaces by rayiner on Saturday June 24, 2017 @01:24PM (#14626454)
I don't get your response. OP said that bannning cars downtown would keep families, disabled people, etc. from enjoying downtowns. My point is that you can ban general vehicle traffic in the core downtown areas, but people with families can still get there by parking in a garage just outside the downtown.
Re:If You Can’t Ban Cars Downtown, Take Away Parking Spaces by chc on Saturday June 24, 2017 @06:50PM (#14627814)
You don't see any difference between banning cars and simply putting the parking spaces in a garage instead of on the street? The difference seems pretty stark to me — one implies that people cannot drive there and the other implies that people will drive there.
Re:If You Can’t Ban Cars Downtown, Take Away Parking Spaces by rayiner on Saturday June 24, 2017 @07:16PM (#14627881)
No, my point about the garage is that you could easily ban parking in the main pedestrian area (Main Street, the waterfront, and the circle in Annapolis) because most people already park in a garage outside the main pedestrian zone. Many plans for downtown car bans contemplate parking outside the car free zone.
Re:If You Can’t Ban Cars Downtown, Take Away Parking Spaces by Spooky23 on Saturday June 24, 2017 @09:37PM (#14628210)
In the US, cars are privileged forms of transport.

Just as we have shopping malls with outlying parking surrounding a pedestrian only area, you can engineer urban cores with appropriate pedestrian infrastructure, that are served with a network of transport modes outside of the core, including transit and garages.