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Re:Crony capitalism may be cannibalizing productive capitali... by pm90 on Friday June 23, 2017 @12:21PM (#14620312)
And yet, people swear by them as though they have the same validity as physics. I never really understood that mentality.
Re:Crony capitalism may be cannibalizing productive capitali... by sadfjhsdf66 on Friday June 23, 2017 @12:54PM (#14620647)
Because the monopolies have exerted pressure on public education, including universities, to churn out advocates for the corporations bottom line.

With no basis in reality, we've brainwashed people to believe the bottom lines of the elite are to be protected. That's the outcome sought of our educational system.

It fascinates me how, on the one hand, we complain about how lazy people are. How much inducement the proles need. "Oh they're just lazy. Push em harder."

If we need to push people that hard, perhaps "economy of effort" is built into the species. It's a weird cognitive dissonance.

"They want something for nothing! But I want to maintain my elite status built upon your efforts!"

But that challenges the basis of elite power. If we all quit producing for them, they lose. So we're "induced to produce" under the constraints they define: no food, shelter, healthcare.

Re:Crony capitalism may be cannibalizing productive capitali... by tanderson92 on Friday June 23, 2017 @01:40PM (#14621077)
> Because the monopolies have exerted pressure on public education, including universities, to churn out advocates for the corporations bottom line.

Not only that, we fail to realize the continuing incentives for them to act in that way, even when acting as "researchers". Here is a highly relevant Propublica investigative piece on academic economists as consultants: https://www.propublica.org/article/these-professors-make-mor...

Re:Crony capitalism may be cannibalizing productive capitali... by pm90 on Friday June 23, 2017 @01:30PM (#14620976)
This is unfortunately too close to the truth. One thing I would like to add though is that despite the fruits of labor accruing disproportionately to the elite, the system has managed to lift up everyone else as well, right? So the system does work, and I wonder what would happen if it was changed to be more egalitarian....
Re:Crony capitalism may be cannibalizing productive capitali... by sadfjhsdf66 on Friday June 23, 2017 @03:10PM (#14621895)
Sure, but that's not a unique byproduct to this system. In fact, I think an argument can be made that it's a designed byproduct. We could uplift many more, but we don't. A little bit of uplift, but not too much, or the wheels come off for the power brokers.

There are a other systems that we have at least some historical evidence to show will produce even better outcomes for the majority.

The problem is those are undermined almost as quickly as they are brought up. See post about brainwashing people to protect the bottom line.

People point to places like Venezuela and USSR as examples of socialism not working, for example. While ignoring that both those states were not managed by the working class (as classical socialism typically calls for), but elite masters, their bank rollers, and external forces pushing them to abandon their ways for western capitalism (economic sanctions, cutting off access to necessary trade).

Re:Crony capitalism may be cannibalizing productive capitali... by dragonwriter on Friday June 23, 2017 @01:36PM (#14621041)
> the system has managed to lift up everyone else as well, right?

By some measures, all of which fail to account for the fact that relative deprivation is a substantial source of experienced disutility.

Re:Crony capitalism may be cannibalizing productive capitali... by pm90 on Friday June 23, 2017 @02:04PM (#14621295)
Its true, but I'm not sure whether I would choose to be born in a Cholera ridden mid 1850's London or the Ghettos of Inner-City Houston today. We've solved some problems and now face others of course, but my question is whether the earlier problems were of a different kind...
Re:Crony capitalism may be cannibalizing productive capitali... by danbruc on Friday June 23, 2017 @01:41PM (#14621082)
One thing I would like to add though is that despite the fruits of labor accruing disproportionately to the elite, the system has managed to lift up everyone else as well, right? So the system does work [...]

That really depends on the definition of »works«. If one is satisfied with the people doing the heavy lifting being a bit better off while a few overseeing everything are extremely better off, yes, then it works.

Re:Crony capitalism may be cannibalizing productive capitali... by sfifs on Friday June 23, 2017 @12:28PM (#14620395)
That's because they're what people _believe_ - their politics - an act of faith not dissimilar from religion. The set of econ axioms people espouse demonstrates their own world view - what they stand for.

In a previous age, these would be moral principles and social norms - now it's political beliefs.

Re:Crony capitalism may be cannibalizing productive capitali... by pm90 on Friday June 23, 2017 @01:27PM (#14620950)
This is an interesting point, and I've been giving this a great deal of thought. The United States is surprisingly religious for a developed Western Nation, and my theory is that if people can be brainwashed into accepting things "on faith", then that can be extended to other things as well, such as facts. Maybe that can explain the huge numbers of climate change deniers, anti-abortionists and other anti-intellectuals in the US?
Re:Crony capitalism may be cannibalizing productive capitali... by specialist on Friday June 23, 2017 @08:48PM (#14623802)
Beliefs ~= identity. Cite "Democracy for Realists".
Re:Crony capitalism may be cannibalizing productive capitali... by rtx on Friday June 23, 2017 @12:54PM (#14620651)
Because roots of these theories are in Physics. Psychology > Biology > Chemistry > Physics.