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Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by TulliusCicero on Friday June 23, 2017 @06:34AM (#14618171)
Easily the biggest problem in the US with biking is that the infrastructure is, nearly without exception, absolutely atrocious.

Nobody would accept having only 'painted walk lanes' on busy streets to get around, much less having them appear and disappear from the road seemingly at random, and yet that's the default state of bike lanes in nearly all US cities.

If biking had as much infrastructure as even walking -- meaning, physically protected lanes on most streets -- Americans would bike in enormous numbers.

Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by justinph on Friday June 23, 2017 @08:49AM (#14618740)
Minneapolis, MN is one of the exceptions. The city has invested in good bike lanes and as a result, people do bike in big numbers. Some folks bike year round, even when the temperature is well below freezing.

The city benefited greatly from some disused rail right-of-ways and turned them into completely separated bike highways. Many of the on-street bikeways that have been set up use plastic divider posts to signal to drivers separation. It's much cheaper than building grade-seperated lanes, but gives a real sense of protection to the bikers.

Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by TulliusCicero on Friday June 23, 2017 @09:48AM (#14619101)
The thing is though, even for Minneapolis, the total length of bike lanes/paths amounts to what, maybe 5% of the total length of sidewalks/walking paths? (spitballing here looking at Google Maps)

Which just strengthens my point: even quite modest efforts can result in big biking gains. And that's in Minneapolis, who nobody is going to accuse of having great weather for biking.

Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by bluejekyll on Friday June 23, 2017 @07:02AM (#14618266)
Bike lanes are a step in that direction. SF is starting to gain more protected bike lanes, it would definitely be nice to have more. The bike lane itself is a great initial way to measure bike interest.

Though honestly, nearly every street in the city should have at least a painted bike lane.

Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by rocqua on Friday June 23, 2017 @07:13AM (#14618318)
Here in the netherlands, cyclist paradise, we don't even have a painted bike lane on nearly every street.

There are also streets where biking isn't allowed. These are mostly major car arteries. It is imperative to realize there are places where cyclists don't belong. Just like it is imperative to realize that in most places in the city, cyclists do belong.

Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by TulliusCicero on Friday June 23, 2017 @08:04AM (#14618523)
It was my understanding that major car arteries in the Netherlands usually had adjacent bike paths that were slightly set apart from the road, ala: https://www.google.de/maps/@52.1084742,5.0647,3a,75y,172.64h...

> Here in the netherlands, cyclist paradise, we don't even have a painted bike lane on nearly every street.

With narrow streets and low speeds, cyclists and cars can effectively mix. It's just that in the US, politically that's an even harder sell than protected bike lanes, most of the time.

Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by rocqua on Friday June 23, 2017 @06:34PM (#14623267)
Indeed most major roads have adjacent bike paths. Certainly not all though. No highways do, and there are some other roads where it doesn't make sense.

Cycling on highways is a total no-go here. I've never heard of it happening, and I'd expect the police to be called whenever someone sees it.

You're right on the narrow streets and low speeds. That is a much bigger cultural / civil-engineering thing. It makes me wonder how cycling infrastructure is done in Rotterdam. It's city centre needed to be completely rebuild after WW2. The result is regarded by some as ugly or 'american'. Perhaps this has affected cycling, or perhaps that was taken into account in the rebuild.

Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by TulliusCicero on Saturday June 24, 2017 @03:48PM (#14627175)
In the US you can't bike on freeways either (I avoid saying 'highways' as technically the term can refer to a number of different types of roads, whereas freeways only mean roads that have completely controlled access (on ramps and off ramps, no stoplights or stop signs)).
Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by rocqua on Sunday June 25, 2017 @09:37AM (#14629904)
I was thinking of [1], ever since I saw that, I thought Americans were crazy cyclists. Upon further research that video is from Russia. Seems like american cycling is much better than I thought.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hVXhg8zvkI&ab_channel=Stree...

Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by jrf6 on Friday June 23, 2017 @09:29AM (#14618999)
I've been a cyclist in DC (and Boston) for almost 20 years, and the changes over that time have been fairly astounding. Overall, DC is doing a pretty good job [0]. The gradual transition from a little stripe to demarcate the bike lane to protected cycle tracks that take up a full lane of traffic has made a huge difference.

[0] - http://usa.streetsblog.org/2017/03/08/street-by-street-dc-bu...

Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by TulliusCicero on Friday June 23, 2017 @09:56AM (#14619168)
To be sure, the progress made in recent years in progressive cities is heartening, and the more people we get into cycling via modest means, the easier it is politically to get more substantive changes, like protected intersections or complete networks of physically protected bike paths.
Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by maxerickson on Friday June 23, 2017 @09:51AM (#14619130)
A lot of places have quite a lot of streets that don't even have sidewalks.

I occasionally see people walking to the hospital here, in the lane on a 25 MPH street.

Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by TulliusCicero on Friday June 23, 2017 @09:57AM (#14619170)
You're right, but nevertheless in most cities, sidewalks on nearly every street are the norm.

My point is really to just illustrate a mentality difference. If cyclists clamor for a handful of protected bike lanes, they get accused of wanting 'special treatment'. And yet, what they ask for is at least an order of magnitude less than what everyone takes for granted about walking, let alone the resources we allocate to cars.