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Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by pmontra on Friday June 23, 2017 @06:27AM (#14618149)
This in Milan, Italy three weeks ago: https://www.wired.it/lifestyle/mobilita/2017/06/01/milano-pi...

It's on a narrow bridge quite dangerous for cyclists as cars tend to cut the turn to the left. After years of asking somebody decided to help themselves.

Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by ygra on Friday June 23, 2017 @09:20AM (#14618931)
I'm a bit confused there, though. The signage clearly marks this as a road you're not allowed to enter from that side, regardless of vehicle and forbidden for pedestrians. The guerilla bike lane thus is not supported by the existing signage and if behaviour prior to this matched what the lane now codifies, then it's worrisome as well.

As a cyclist, I'm all for making cycling safer, but breaking road laws to achieve that goal is not the right way. That's a one-way street, clearly marked as not a sidewalk and definitely not a bike lane against the one-way street direction. Guerilla bike lane or not, imho it's a stupid and dangerous idea to walk or cycle there, especially in that direction.

Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by pmontra on Friday June 23, 2017 @10:53AM (#14619587)
I guess this is the picture you're writing about https://images.wired.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/01132104/...

You are right, because the signs are, roughly in this position:

1) One way road. 2) Pedestrian crossing, the one the kid is standing on.

3) No pedestrians allowed.

So yes, bikes shouldn't go down that bike lane. If it were an official one they would have changed the road signs to allow it. However I know that's a slow road, so combined with the white line it's probably safe at least during the day. In the night not so much, by direct experience, but bikes were going down there in the forbidden direction anyway.

Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by dmurray on Friday June 23, 2017 @10:18AM (#14619303)
I'm not familiar with Italian road signs but I'd interpret that sign to mean the exact opposite: pedestrians only.
Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by ygra on Friday June 23, 2017 @10:31AM (#14619387)
Then it would be blue, not white with a red border. The latter always signifies a forbiddance, while blue signs are an allowance (and often implicitly disallowing everything else).
Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by dmurray on Friday June 23, 2017 @02:30PM (#14621498)
Interesting, in Ireland we don't have the red and white pedestrian sign, but we do have the likes of this[0] red and white taxi sign signifying a taxi rank (implicitly disallowing parking for non-taxis).

For "no pedestrians", we have what to my eyes much more sensible: the same sign as the Italian one but with a strike through it [1]

[0]http://st2.depositphotos.com/7458252/11066/i/950/depositphot...

[1]http://www.gettyimages.es/detail/foto/no-pedestrians-in-irel...

Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by zwp on Friday June 23, 2017 @07:52AM (#14618480)

    > i milanesi hanno percorso in media 18,6 miglia
    > in bici per andare al lavoro...
    > velocità media a Milano 14,8 miglia all’ora
"The Milanese cyclist averages 18.7 miles per day to go to work... at an average speed of 14.8 mph". Is my translation okay? That seems improbable [time & distance, not speed]: the _average_ Milanese cyclo-commuter takes over an hour each way? Currently 36C/97F in Milan.

Or is this per week? Is it current to talk in "miglia" in modern Italian? (though even km would be high IMHO).

Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by pmontra on Friday June 23, 2017 @09:06AM (#14618856)
That's so weird: nobody uses miles in Italy (or Europe, except the UK). I checked the article and the source is Strava Insight which probably defaults to miles. The journalist copied and pasted without converting the units into something readers would understand.

14.8 miles per hour is 23,68. I usually do 20 when I move in the city because I don't want to sweat and I don't see many bikers going faster than me. Maybe that's because only fast bikers use Strava and it skews distances and speeds.

Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by nerdshoe on Friday June 23, 2017 @09:49AM (#14619108)
I would never log my daily 3km ride to work in Strava, and I've had it count my after work singletrack romps as commutes. How strava thinks it can be a good source of commuter data is beyond me.
Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by sleepychu on Friday June 23, 2017 @09:35AM (#14619036)
Averages are pretty useless without standard deviation.
Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by throwawayjava on Friday June 23, 2017 @08:31AM (#14618650)
The average speed is kinda fast but not insane, especially if most of the ride is on a stretch without many intersections (which you'd expect to be true of a 9 mile ride). I average around 15 mph in a mostly flat area where I stop every few blocks. TBF I'm probably riding a bit more aggressively than a typical Milanese bike commuter.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the average American bike commuter averages 15 mph. But I'd also expect the average American bike commuter to be much faster than the average Milanese bike commuter because in the USA most bike commuters are dedicated enthusiasts.

18.7 miles per day seems like a really high average, but is entirely believable. I used to do something close to that, and our summers were also hot.

Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by pmontra on Friday June 23, 2017 @10:20AM (#14619309)
I can add something about Milan that could explain those data. Milan has some water channels going at least halfway into the city. Some bicycle roads follow the channels and they don't have many intersections. Some 10 miles each way are believable. People doing 10+10 miles each day on those roads could be the kind of people that also record their commutes with Strava. However people that have to commute on normal roads shared with cars probably can't be that fast.

I live inside the city and I never mount my bike computer when moving around in there. The normal cyclists that use a bicycle to go shopping probably don't do more than 12 km/h, twice as much as a fast pedestrian. Obviously they don't record their journeys.

So, still skewed data but with an explanation.

Re:Pop-up bike lanes show that demand exists by JamesMcMinn on Friday June 23, 2017 @08:02AM (#14618515)
The "miles per day" would suggest 9.35miles each way, so ~40 minutes each way, which seems more likely.