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Re:Why is the Internet so Slow? by lucozade on Friday June 23, 2017 @05:09AM (#14617880)
Did I read this correctly? Is it saying that a general internet connection, without specialist low latency connectivity, is only 37x slower than its theoretical minimum?

That's astonishingly good. It's great that they think they can do better but bloody hell.

It's indistinguishable from magic.

Re:Why is the Internet so Slow? by threepipeproblm on Friday June 23, 2017 @05:27AM (#14617949)
You're saying that achieving 2.7% of the theoretical efficiency is good?

Many car engines have an efficiency of around 20% for example, as compared to the maximum theoretical efficiency of 67%. If car engines performed only well enough to meet your standard of amazingness, your gas costs would be 7 or 8 times higher. Or if you used a modern Toyota engine for comparison, something like 14 times higher.

Obviously I took an example from a different sphere for comparison... if you really find this to be an astonishing result can you elaborate?

Re:Why is the Internet so Slow? by lucozade on Friday June 23, 2017 @06:14AM (#14618102)
Not to belittle the internal combustion engine but that's just the theoretical efficiency of chemical combustion. It's a local maximum. That's tiny compared to the global maximum energy available from the same amount of fuel.

As a trite comparison, it's a similar to arguing the theoretical maximum speed that a person can run. Interesting, but doesn't tell you anything about the maximum speed that a person can move.

The speed of light in a vacuum, though, is qualitatively different. It's not a local maximum, it's the global maximum.

Anyway, I reserve the right to be impressed. I spend enough of my life being jaded and cynical. Sometimes I see things like this and it makes me think about stuff that I take for granted.

Re:Why is the Internet so Slow? by the8472 on Friday June 23, 2017 @06:00AM (#14618058)
Your car is not operating at 20% efficiency of theoretical limits if you take the whole energy pipeline into account. You know... fusion, sunlight, plankton, oil, refining, combustion, mechanical energy. On the other hand speed-of-light to actual ping times is an end-to-end efficiency calculation. Plankton in particular is terrible at converting energy.

sun -> mj-PV -> battery -> electric motors run circles around those.

Re:Why is the Internet so Slow? by krallja on Friday June 23, 2017 @09:26AM (#14618975)
> Plankton in particular is terrible at converting energy.

Says the person who can't even photosynthesize!

Re:Why is the Internet so Slow? by arethuza on Friday June 23, 2017 @05:51AM (#14618027)
On the other hand how well are we doing when it comes to achieving the maximum theoretical speed for interstellar spacecraft? :-)
Re:Why is the Internet so Slow? by amadvance on Friday June 23, 2017 @05:51AM (#14618028)
You car is million times slower than the speed of light :)
Re:Why is the Internet so Slow? by greydius on Friday June 23, 2017 @06:06AM (#14618077)
10 million. Light: 300000 km/sec, car: 0.03 km/sec
Re:Why is the Internet so Slow? by amadvance on Friday June 23, 2017 @06:12AM (#14618092)
My car is a lot faster than 108 km/h (0.03 km/sec) :)
Re:Why is the Internet so Slow? by moemoeg on Friday June 23, 2017 @06:16AM (#14618106)
In the context of the speed of light, it really isn't.
Re:Why is the Internet so Slow? by amadvance on Friday June 23, 2017 @06:28AM (#14618154)
greydius corrected me asserting that the factor between ligth speed and car speed is 10 millions, and not one million as I said.

But in true there are production cars that pass 430 km/h, resulting in a factor of about 2.5 millions. A lot less than 10 millions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Production_car_speed_record

Re:Why is the Internet so Slow? by pixl97 on Friday June 23, 2017 @11:48AM (#14620008)
You should not compare the fastest car speed, but the average car speed, which for this argument would probably be closer to 200km/h. That puts it in a factor of 5 million, which is within one order of magnitude of the original guess.
Re:Why is the Internet so Slow? by arethuza on Friday June 23, 2017 @05:19AM (#14617916)
Indeed - I've been using the Internet since the early 1990s and I'm constantly amazed that I can be playing a multi-user game (e.g. WoT) with tens of people in multiple countries and get sub 50ms ping times.
Re:Why is the Internet so Slow? by maccard on Friday June 23, 2017 @10:24AM (#14619339)
What's even more impressive is how games like WOT hands multiple users with different latencies, and how they attempt to hide that from you! Reminds you that the ping number you see on screen is (almost) meaningless when you start to dig into it