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Re:The Wheels Come Off Uber by SilasX on Thursday June 22, 2017 @12:58PM (#14613595)
> Put another way, even if Uber drives every competing taxi/limo operator out of business, as soon as the company raises prices to cover costs -- vehicle, insurance, maintenance, fuel, credit card processing, license fees, and (at least for now) labor -- new entrants (and revived old entrants) would quickly come into the market, preventing Uber from keeping prices up.

Not true -- Uber has a permanent moat, which is their steadfast, solitary willingness to be a no-tipping oasis, which others equally refuse to replicate.

Oh, wait: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14596529

Re:The Wheels Come Off Uber by meditationapp on Thursday June 22, 2017 @01:06PM (#14613664)
Just don't tip. It's a bug if they can rate your tip.

Meanwhile I like not being a dick to drivers. What's the big deal?

Re:The Wheels Come Off Uber by SilasX on Thursday June 22, 2017 @01:14PM (#14613727)
You just explained one of the big deals.

More generally, the way tipping works, there is no clear, consistent, compatible expectation, so I'm forced into a position of either a) overpaying, b) committing a silent faux pas, or c) having negative feedback misinterpreted as stinginess or ignorance.

Would you not consider that a big deal? Are you really surprised about the existence of people who don't like the tipping system, or who don't consider "just stiff them" a valid workaround?

Re:The Wheels Come Off Uber by meditationapp on Thursday June 22, 2017 @01:19PM (#14613765)
The alternative is not supporting a company who doesn't provide a living wage for their workers after they go into debt. They talk about making drivers entrepreneurs? That's just code for "we convinced some suckers to invest in a falling wage". Who do you know who invested in a black car and paid it off driving uber? There are similar stories with medallions, but that's a separate issue with separate solutions.

Lyft may have similar issues, but in cities without real taxi companies (e.g. Sf) there's no real alternative to being a part of this terrible "entrepeneurship". Tipping will put uber back on my phone.

Re:The Wheels Come Off Uber by emodendroket on Thursday June 22, 2017 @01:05PM (#14613653)
Even if they didn't do that, there's nothing stopping a competitor from having the same policy.
Re:The Wheels Come Off Uber by SilasX on Thursday June 22, 2017 @01:12PM (#14613704)
Nothing except the fact that there seems to be an extreme taboo that makes everyone steadfastly refuse to do it with the same fervor.
Re:The Wheels Come Off Uber by emodendroket on Thursday June 22, 2017 @01:13PM (#14613720)
If it were really the only thing giving Uber a monopoly on the market I guarantee somebody else would lose their scruples.
Re:The Wheels Come Off Uber by vec on Thursday June 22, 2017 @02:22PM (#14614210)
Tipping isn't about scruples. Businesses with scruples would pay their employees a fair wage and price accordingly. And then immediately go out of business as everyone flocks to the competitor that's magically 20% cheaper (before the essentially mandatory 20% tip).

Tipping is entirely about being able to advertise a lower price than the actual customer cost. Unfortunately that is extremely effective, so if one company in a market accepts tips all the others basically have to.

Re:The Wheels Come Off Uber by emodendroket on Friday June 23, 2017 @08:14AM (#14618571)
It's not like Uber was paying a generous wage in the first place.