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Re:Populism and the Economics of Globalization [pdf] by Swizec on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @02:14PM (#14606445)
> In my city unemployment is at 10%

We can play that game.

In my country youth unemployment rate (those under 30) is 13.7%. That ignores everyone who is studying until 27 because "they're not in the labor force".

Overall unemployment rate is 9.8%. Again, discounting everyone who is "not in the labor force".

As far as I know, we've been in an economic recession for the past 10 years or so. Before that we were in a "Yeah we're growing but socialism fucked us" stage for some 15 years.

> Poverty begets crime and social unrest

We're one of the safest countries in Europe. I don't know why Americans love to lump crime together with poverty, but that's not how it works in Europe from what I can tell. Or at least in my part of Europe.

Social unrest, yes there's some of that. Demonstrations happen once in a while. Just like they do in the US all the time. That's just part of democracy.

Re:Populism and the Economics of Globalization [pdf] by Mikeb85 on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @02:26PM (#14606553)
Going from ~3% unemployment to ~10% overnight has caused a very noticeable change in the city. Yes, there are countries where this is the norm, just like it will probably be the norm here for the foreseeable future.

The point isn't that where I live is awful (it's really not), but that education and hard work doesn't guarantee success when there are macroeconomic forces working against you.

> We're one of the safest countries in Europe. I don't know why Americans love to lump crime together with poverty, but that's not how it works in Europe from what I can tell. Or at least in my part of Europe.

I'm willing to bet your country has a decent safety net, and that there's less 'poverty' than the US, even if your unemployment is higher.

Re:Populism and the Economics of Globalization [pdf] by anigbrowl on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @03:26PM (#14607080)
I'm also European. Which group has it worst in your country, and why?
Re:Populism and the Economics of Globalization [pdf] by Swizec on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @03:44PM (#14607215)
Good question!

Overall the Roma population probably has it worst. Followed closely by the immigrants.

I'm not a good judge of Why because I don't have good insight. The Roma seem to have your usual problems of being below the poverty line, a culture that heavily discourages improving your lot in life, and a strong culture of expecting govenment handouts. If you asked a Roma I'm sure their explanation would be different, this is what it looks like from the outside.

The immigrants, well, they're immigrants. New culture new life new jobs low prospects due to social standing and so on. Immigrants always seem to struggle.

Re:Populism and the Economics of Globalization [pdf] by anigbrowl on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @04:09PM (#14607431)
That's fine, it was the shallow reaction I was after. I've had the benefits of being in the US >20 years to observe things from multiple perspectives.

Basically what inhibits a person from Atlanta is not their legal or technical disadvantages, but those perceptual ones - large parts of society, and often police in particular, holding prior assumptions of criminal disposition and unwillingness to better themselves.

I'm Irish and we have very few Roma people but we have a similar and related ethnosocial subgroup. Imagine how difficult it would be for a 'gypsy' person to attain significant political power in our home countries, and how even if elected/appointed to a position of responsibility everything they did would be undermined by attacks on their heritage, regardless of their legal or intellectual eligibility for the role.

I noticed very soon after arrival in the US that I was assumed to have much greater potential than members of disfavored ethnosocial minorities. I say ethnosocial because I'm thinking of a former roommate from Mauritius who felt that his French accent and foreign origin gave him substantial social advantages vs American blacks whose negative qualifiers were already assumed.