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Re:Is group chat making you sweat? (2016) by TeMPOraL on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @06:42AM (#14593447)
It's true only for the very basics. Applications adopting vim shortcuts, or using readline, take on the most rudimentary navigation shortcuts. But that's not what I meant about weird shortcuts doing text magic.

Consider e.g. e-mail in Emacs[0] as on this screenshot: [1]. Both the list and the message you see on this screenshot are read-only UI, like in any terminal-oriented app. Except that I can navigate through and manipulate them with all my usual Emacs shortcuts, including:

- using incremental search to find a message of interest

- doing regular Emacs region selection over multiple messages, to apply the same action to many of them

- semantic expansion of selection

- using selection to spawn multiple cursors at appropriate places, and then apply the same actions under each cursor

- using M-x occur to do a "grep" on contents

- using regexp highlighting to highlight lines or words matching regexp

- using narrowing and widening to display only a subsection of the e-mail list

... and many more, and all those examples didn't even touch e-mail-mode-specific things! That's just text-editing shortcuts over text UI! Those are all the things you'll have in your muscle memory as a proficient Emacs user, and you can use them everywhere - be it IRC, terminal, a REPL, list of e-mails, etc.

In this way, "Emacs OS" UX is superior to my "host" OS UX (be it Windows or Linux), because I can perform all those actions in an unified way, without breaking my flow - and I have access to very advanced/complex actions (plus the ability to write my own, or download them from the Internet).

Oh, and even if read-only, the UI is still text, so I can just mark it all, copy over to another buffer, and process it as if I was working with a plaintext file. No need for scrapping anything.

EDIT: changed "expansion" to "widening" in the point about narrowing.

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[0] - which I just managed to get working, thanks to friendly HNers that responded to me here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14569833.

[1] - http://i.imgur.com/JpnxZSl.png

Re:Is group chat making you sweat? (2016) by klibertp on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @07:24AM (#14593641)
> using narrowing and expansion

Narrowing and widening to be precise. As many Emacs features, narrowing seems useless at first, but it has surprisingly many uses. Especially with `expand-region` installed: no matter where is my point, I can quickly select current block, narrow the buffer to it and start using bulk-edit tools, like `iedit` or `multiple-cursors` while being sure that they won't affect other parts of a file.

> In this way, "Emacs OS" UX is superior to my "host" OS UX (be it Windows or Linux), because I can perform all those actions in an unified way, without breaking my flow

I still use the combo of urxvt+tmux+zsh though. I could probably get most of the same features with Emacs+Elscreen+Eshell+Auto-Complete/Company, but setting it all up seemed like a lot of unnecessary work, while I had my `.tmux.conf` and `.zshrc` already configured before switching to Emacs. I'd still love to switch to Emacs for terminal emulation, but all the available options right now (from eshell to ansi-term) lack some important features I'd rather still have.

Re:Is group chat making you sweat? (2016) by TeMPOraL on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @07:51AM (#14593790)
Yes, narrowing and widening are the correct words for that :). Fixed, thanks!

I have the same thoughts about available terminal options; I'd love to use Emacs for my terminal, but unfortunately there are always corner cases that annoy me enough to keep me stuck to urxvt + fish.