Re:Intel discontinues Joule, Galileo, and Edison product lines
by jimbokun on Monday June 19, 2017 @03:18PM
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The commonality is all of those cases were competing on the x86 instruction set playing field. Intel will probably still win at that game. But now there are many areas of computing where x86 doesn't matter. (As noted, even Windows is moving to support ARM.)
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Re:Intel discontinues Joule, Galileo, and Edison product lines
by XorNot on Monday June 19, 2017 @07:07PM
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Windows is moving to support ARM but the applications are not which was the original problem with Windows on ARM.
And in the business world backwards compatibility is everything.
Re:Intel discontinues Joule, Galileo, and Edison product lines
by zeta0134 on Monday June 19, 2017 @09:48PM
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With Surface RT I would have agreed wholeheartedly with this. But Microsoft is doing it right this time around by introducing x86 emulation, which gives you a fast, efficient ARM platform that has amazing battery life most of the time, and which can still open up that odd business application you need that hasn't recompiled itself for the new platform yet.
The critical thing to observe here is that, while obviously x86 applications will be slower on this platform on paper, most consumers will not notice or care. This creates a better product for casual use and arguably a better product for business use, one where the power efficiency of ARM creates a direct benefit to the consumer that Intel can't match (battery life and efficiency) for which the occasional odd performance issue in some heavy "Desktop" app is a small price to pay.
Re:Intel discontinues Joule, Galileo, and Edison product lines
by pjmlp on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @02:19AM
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This is only an issue with C and C++ written applications that aren't recompiled or rely on x86 specific opcodes, the .NET ones will just run, unless they rely on native code, of course.
Hence why they are doing a JIT this time around, but as we all know Intel isn't happy about it.
Re:Intel discontinues Joule, Galileo, and Edison product lines
by imtringued on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @05:17AM
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The x86 emulation is completely irrelevant. Microsoft didn't want win32 applications to be recompiled to run on Windows RT. They now changed their mind. The only benefit of emulating x86 is for software that is no longer supported. If it's mission critical then those businesses that rely on x86 backwards compatibility will stay with x86 hardware because paying $600 more for a computer doesn't even register on their radar. The only reason I'd care about x86 emulation is to run old video games.
Re:Intel discontinues Joule, Galileo, and Edison product lines
by andreiw on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @10:30PM
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It is completely relevant. Basically, you can now replace aging Windows PCs with VDI hosted on ARM clouds, and people won't know or be able to tell a difference. You will now have x86 Win32 apps, arm64 Win32 apps, and UWP running on what's just another SKU of Win10. And since every piece of software for Windows must support 32-bit x86, there is full backwards comaptibilty. You won't need to wait for some mission-critical bit of software to be ported, and in the Windows world, there is plenty of mission-critical abandonware, trust me. Now it gets the AOT/JIT treatment. Microsoft just made enterprise a reality for ARM64 servers by crossing the proverbial rubicon. Suddenly, if you use Windows and Microsoft products, you can still buy into ARM data centers and clouds.
Re:Intel discontinues Joule, Galileo, and Edison product lines
by kalleboo on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @11:07PM
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It doesn't have to be about the cost of a computer but e.g. getting field workers onto Windows tablets with decent battery life (but still being able to use the ancient in-house timeclock app)
Re:Intel discontinues Joule, Galileo, and Edison product lines
by pjmlp on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @05:25AM
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It is not only business, they need a way to bring those XP users.
Re:Intel discontinues Joule, Galileo, and Edison product lines
by andreiw on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @10:24PM
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OSS (FOSS/FLOSS) and the current push to boutique vertical software stacks largely make ISA wars irrelevant. Right now if it runs Linux and does virtualization it is good enough, and organizations will buy gear based on other characteristics. And Microsoft realized they don't want to be a purveyor of x86 goods either, probably because they don't want Windows to turn into another OpenVMS or AIX.