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Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by Banthum on Friday June 16, 2017 @07:34PM (#14573330)
>"engineered to simply keep people in the hole once they through misfortune or carelessness slip up"

This seems like a pretty extraordinary claim made pretty casually.

What would motivate someone to intentionally prevent poor people from helping themselves?

It seems much more likely a case of straightforward government dysfunction enabled by all the usual factors that make the government suck at accomplishing things.

If the government ID infrastructure ran as well as Facebook's ad targeting department, we would have no problems of this kind whatsoever.

Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by jacquesm on Friday June 16, 2017 @07:38PM (#14573349)
> What would motivate someone to intentionally prevent poor people from helping themselves?

Less social security to be paid out.

Once homeless the way back is super hard, and to receive social security you have to have a registered address and to have a registered address you need ID.

So good luck reversing that.

Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by lisper on Friday June 16, 2017 @08:01PM (#14573456)
> Less social security to be paid out.

That, and fewer people voting for democrats.

Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by typomatic on Friday June 16, 2017 @07:44PM (#14573388)
> If the government ID infrastructure ran as well as Facebook's ad targeting department, we would have no problems of this kind whatsoever.

You might want to rethink that statement. I suspect that the government ID infrastructure works flawlessly for about 99.9% of users. The FB ad infrastructure does not work that well.

Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by Avshalom on Friday June 16, 2017 @08:05PM (#14573470)
>What would motivate someone to intentionally prevent poor people from helping themselves?

A theology that holds that god rewards the just and thus the poor must be so because they're wicked and/or a fucked up reading of the phrase "the poor will always be with you"

A desire to 'prove' an economic philosophy that the poor brought it on themselves by creating a self perpetuating spiral of doom and then pointing to people that get caught in it as proof.

Racism and a general supposition that these policies affect those people over there to a sufficient degree that these people over here are an acceptable loss.

Just being a fucking dick.

Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by SwellJoe on Friday June 16, 2017 @09:28PM (#14573777)
You should read up on the prison industrial complex. I think a very strong case can be made that homelessness, and the implicit threat of homelessness, is part of the prison pipeline.
Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by throwanem on Friday June 16, 2017 @08:13PM (#14573508)
Yes. This is why you find people of Christian faith volunteering to...you know what, never mind. I wish I lived in a world as simple as the one you seem to.
Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by Avshalom on Friday June 16, 2017 @08:37PM (#14573611)
https://www.statnews.com/2017/03/03/roger-marshall-kansas-ob...

>“Just like Jesus said, ‘The poor will always be with us,’” he said. “There is a group of people that just don’t want health care and aren’t going to take care of themselves.”

>Pressed on that point, Marshall shrugged.

No seriously, some people have a really fucked up reading of "the poor will always be with us" and some of those people are actually in charge of things.

for some context on that particular bible quote: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2017/03/03/ignorant... Jesus is solid on this one, that doesn't mean people don't build their beliefs on some weird interpretations of what some one once told them Jesus said.

Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by Banthum on Saturday June 17, 2017 @01:52AM (#14574498)
“There is a group of people that just don’t want health care and aren’t going to take care of themselves.”

I'm aware that this isn't a nice thing to say, but are you really disputing that the sentence stands alone as a fact?

Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by throwanem on Friday June 16, 2017 @08:47PM (#14573648)
I'm not sure why it makes sense to dismiss the entire faith on the basis of some sinners who twist Christ's words against Christ's example. I hope for the sake of his soul that he doesn't realize what he's doing.
Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by Avshalom on Friday June 16, 2017 @08:51PM (#14573664)
I... didn't?
Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by throwanem on Friday June 16, 2017 @09:16PM (#14573742)
You...kind of did? I mean, I get that the people you're talking about call themselves Christian, but they no more merit taking at their word on the matter than if I say I'm vegan while halfway through a porterhouse.

You know Mark and Deuteronomy. Do you know Matthew? "You shall know them by their fruits." And: "[T]hen will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Christ himself would not call these men Christian. Why should you or I take them at their word when they call themselves so?

Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by Avshalom on Friday June 16, 2017 @09:21PM (#14573757)
I never called them christians did I?

I said fucked up theology (among other possibilities) is a reason people would intentionally prevent poor people from helping themselves

Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by throwanem on Friday June 16, 2017 @09:37PM (#14573809)
You didn't use the word, but I think it's a real stretch to argue that that wasn't your meaning.

Can we compromise on "heretical corruption of Christianity"? I should think that'd be imprecatory enough for just about anyone - it certainly has more and sharper teeth than inaccurate and mere milquetoast 'theology'! - and it has the added virtue of not perpetuating a condition in which one such as myself finds it every bit as difficult and trepidatory to come out as Christian as, in an earlier time, he did to come out as gay. Perhaps that's not something with which you feel any need to concern yourself, even to this quite literally nominal degree; I can't say that isn't fair enough, but I would esteem it a kindness if you did.

Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by rayiner on Friday June 16, 2017 @08:27PM (#14573570)
I mean, religion isn't a homogeneous thing. There are folks like the ones in the article, for sure, but there are also ones who buy into the whole gospel of prosperity thing.
Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by throwanem on Friday June 16, 2017 @08:39PM (#14573620)
Tell that to your grandparent commenter.
Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by jacquesm on Friday June 16, 2017 @08:24PM (#14573552)
Volunteering is not limited to people of Christian faith.
Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by throwanem on Friday June 16, 2017 @08:39PM (#14573618)
The article describes a Christian ministry.
Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by jacquesm on Friday June 16, 2017 @10:12PM (#14573919)
So? That's not an exhaustive listing.