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Re:What American universities can learn from Germany (2016) by germanier on Friday June 16, 2017 @12:18PM (#14570208)
The author of the article clearly tried to translate the term "Duale (Berufs-)Ausbildung" which exclusively refers to the apprenticeship system. There are other types of job training but they use different terms. The article in no place claims that there are no other systems but highlights one of them. There is no doubt that this is (generally speaking) the most important alternative to a university education. All the other things are usually only mentioned as footnotes, including official reports.
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Re:What American universities can learn from Germany (2016) by lispm on Friday June 16, 2017 @12:58PM (#14570579)
The Ausbildung is often just an entry point to further education. For example there is something like integrated Ausbildung and university study. After a shortened Ausbildung an University education follows. Don't have actual numbers, But some 70000+ should be in this education track.

It's kind of misleading to think that the Ausbildung is just there on its own and a dead end.. With an Ausbildung one then makes a Meister, Fachwirt or Techniker. Which then may allow them to go to a University.

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Re:What American universities can learn from Germany (2016) by germanier on Friday June 16, 2017 @01:05PM (#14570652)
Ok, and where does the article claim that it is a dead end (or even just suggests that)? It gives a brief overview of the most important features and nothing more. It seems like you are debating against yourself here.

(Just out of personal interest: What is this "first shortened Ausbildung then university education" with 70k+ people in it called?)

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Re:What American universities can learn from Germany (2016) by lispm on Friday June 16, 2017 @01:13PM (#14570749)
The point is to understand the context of the Ausbildung. The son of a friend just finished his Ausbildung and now he makes his Meister. This is quite common. The Meister then enables him to go to University without Abitur.

The integrated dual Ausbildung/Studium:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ausbildungsintegrierter_dualer...

The number 40000 mentioned there is from 2007. Since then offerings have been expanded and made more attractive.

Example:

http://mein-duales-studium.de/fuer-schueler/information/was-...

> An der Westfälischen Hochschule kombinieren dual Studierende ein Studium mit einer Berufsausbildung oder beruflicher Praxis in einem Unternehmen oder einer öffentlichen Organisation.

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