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Re:Show HN: Get Paid to Build Your Next Side Project by falcolas on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @12:49PM (#14553967)
I'll be the negative Nancy here - you'll never get 1000 people to pay $400 each for any OSS software, no matter the price of the competitor.

The reason is a simple value estimation. It's open source (and so free to get) therefore its price is $0. Any product that is free signals that the product has correspondingly low value. I think it's simply unrealistic to expect people to put forward $400 for something with such low value perception and whose fair market price is $0.

This is especially true when Photoshop has such a high value perception (in part because it is better, and in part as a justification for shelling out the $400).

Ask yourself this - Have you, or will you, paid (donated, ...) $70 for using Vim (atom, neovim, emacs, VSC, ...) to support development? Have you paid $200 to Debian, Ubuntu, or Redhat for your Linux OS? $5,000 for (open|libre)ssl? $13,000 per core for PostgreSQL/MySQL?

Re:Show HN: Get Paid to Build Your Next Side Project by jkeat on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @12:59PM (#14554062)
If I could count on the 999 other people, Kickstarter-style, I just might.
Re:Show HN: Get Paid to Build Your Next Side Project by e12e on Thursday June 15, 2017 @10:27AM (#14560682)
I think something more limited (like get GEGL out the door, if that isn't done yet) along the lines of the Django migrations kickstarter would be more realistic: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/andrewgodwin/schema-mig...
Re:Show HN: Get Paid to Build Your Next Side Project by grogenaut on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @01:03PM (#14554109)
Well... Set it up
Re:Show HN: Get Paid to Build Your Next Side Project by falcolas on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @01:20PM (#14554252)
He'd also need the GIMP devs to cooperate: to provide tangible feature sets with timelines, part time PR for updating and managing the Kickstarter campaign, and an part time CFO for managing the sudden influx and management of $360,000 (minus Kickstarter and the payment processor's share), dev salaries, taxes, and such.

I would be curious if the GIMP dev team could reach usability parity with Photoshop on only that money. It seems a bit on the low side frankly (about a year's time of a good developer and UX designer, plus support staff).

Re:Show HN: Get Paid to Build Your Next Side Project by masukomi on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @01:25PM (#14554311)
he could always fork it and pay for other developers if the core team didn't want to participate in this. You'd rather the core team's approval and participation, but you don't NEED it.
Re:Show HN: Get Paid to Build Your Next Side Project by blunte on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @02:22PM (#14554789)
Call it Pimp.

I would say that I'm in too, but I also need a quality Illustrator alternative that works well on Mac.

Re:Show HN: Get Paid to Build Your Next Side Project by rhaps0dy on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @03:57PM (#14555598)
To cacarr: Inkscape is not at its best in Mac. It's clunky because you have to use control instead of command, can't zoom with the trackpad, can't go fullscreen.

I use it and love it and it's one of my favourite programs, but really it's better in Linux.

Re:Show HN: Get Paid to Build Your Next Side Project by grogenaut on Friday June 16, 2017 @12:43PM (#14570437)
A key mapping function sounds like one of them more easy things to add into a piece of software
Re:Show HN: Get Paid to Build Your Next Side Project by cacarr on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @03:45PM (#14555477)
I assume you've tried Inkscape?
Re:Show HN: Get Paid to Build Your Next Side Project by falcolas on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @04:15PM (#14555744)
If you don't get their support, then that $400,000 has to go a lot further (or you have to work towards a branch reconciliation at the end of the work). Ongoing maintenance is not free.
Re:Show HN: Get Paid to Build Your Next Side Project by ethanwillis on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @01:58PM (#14554610)
I'm in.
Re:Show HN: Get Paid to Build Your Next Side Project by adekok on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @03:17PM (#14555262)
> you'll never get 1000 people to pay $400 each for any OSS software, no matter the price of the competitor.

Yes and no. I'm doing that right now...

The key is that I don't charge for the software as such. I charge for services, etc. around the software.

People are happy to pay for value-add, even if the underlying software is free. You just need to show value-add...

Re:Show HN: Get Paid to Build Your Next Side Project by falcolas on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @04:14PM (#14555736)
Sure - but then you're not really charging $400 for the software. You're charging $400 for the services associated with that software, and a (typically significant) portion of that money will go towards funding the service, not the OSS software.

This change in how the money is allocated is a subtle, but important, distinction. Monetizing a service means you now have a minimum of two products to manage, and from my time at a company which did exactly this I've found that the OSS software development is the product which absorbs any shortfalls. It's hard to watch the budget for OSS development shrink constantly; to watch developers passionate about the OSS software being reassigned to grow the service instead.

It's probably still the best way to handle a crummy situation, but it's not what the OP described.

Re:Show HN: Get Paid to Build Your Next Side Project by justboxing on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @03:37PM (#14555417)
> The key is that I don't charge for the software as such. I charge for services, etc. around the software.

Yep. Matt Mullenweg & his crew at WordPress have been doing the same thing, and are wildly profitable at it.

Re:Show HN: Get Paid to Build Your Next Side Project by m1sta_ on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @07:29PM (#14556828)
It's not just about profit. It's about lifestyle.
Re:Show HN: Get Paid to Build Your Next Side Project by e12e on Thursday June 15, 2017 @10:24AM (#14560654)
I don't know. 1000 is [ed: not] that large a number of people. But it might be easier to get 40 from 10.000 people, than 400 from a thousand.

I'm reminded about the kickstarter for Django migrations: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/andrewgodwin/schema-mig...

Most backers gave 5 or 10 pounds, but on average ~500 people gave ~35 each.

You might be half-right about perceived value though - I think anyone that is a serious Gimp user see value in the software, but might still think 400 is too steep, given that it is free now. But I also think many users would be willing to pay for getting some features in/some polish done - personally I'd say my current limit would be around 100 USD for any one OSS project.

Now one one hand, Debian does much more than any small project, but I also think it's more likely that 10 000 USD would do more for something like the Gimp, than for Debian (assuming we had a developer or two on standby that could take the opportunity of devoting a month full time on getting some pain points resolved, say).

Re:Show HN: Get Paid to Build Your Next Side Project by GoToRO on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @02:46PM (#14554993)
Also, Free software, creates a large tree at $0 that will kill everything that tries to grow under it, like a $5 decent alternative (nothing grows under large trees).
Re:Show HN: Get Paid to Build Your Next Side Project by paultopia on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @02:34PM (#14554890)
Yeah. This is a classic free rider problem. Game theorists have known about it for decades. See Mancur Olson, The Logic of Collective Action.