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Re:GitHub founder tells you how to bootstrap a business by MicahWedemeyer on Wednesday June 23, 2010 @09:50AM (#1454903)
Damn that was good. Very similar to my own experiences.

I especially liked the point of not blowing money on ads and such. Getting ads right is hard, and most times you will waste your ad money. Feel free to dabble, but realize that your ROI will probably be dismal. Make sure to track your ROI somehow, or you won't even know how badly you're doing.

Re:GitHub founder tells you how to bootstrap a business by leftnode on Wednesday June 23, 2010 @11:14AM (#1455119)
Yup, when you have very little to spend on ads, they're mostly a waste of money I've found, especially if you're in a competitive industry with big name players already established.

Build a good name by word of mouth: you spend nothing and it resonates much better with potential customers.

Re:GitHub founder tells you how to bootstrap a business by barmstrong on Wednesday June 23, 2010 @02:21PM (#1455717)
Has anyone on HN had Adwords convert for their business yet (in real measurable ROI)?

The best I've seen so far was like a 2 year payback period. Not very good. It's gotten competitive enough that I'm rarely seeing Adwords be useful anymore to a startup.

Re:GitHub founder tells you how to bootstrap a business by MicahWedemeyer on Wednesday June 23, 2010 @03:54PM (#1456102)
We've had a little success. It's fairly easy to track the conversion rate from AdWords campaigns if you're also using Google Analytics.

Our ads convert to signups at about a 10% rate. At $0.16 CPC, that means we pay $1.60 for each signup via Adwords. That's still too low for us to get a reasonable return.

I've tried various things in order to bring up the conversion rate, since I think 10% is low, but this is an area where I'm lost. I've tried making a landing page, A/B testing the landing page, and some other tricks, but I'm out of my area of expertise here. That's what I meant when I said that doing ads is pretty damn hard.

But if I could just hit 20% conversion and stay there...then we'd be golden!

Re:GitHub founder tells you how to bootstrap a business by ryanwaggoner on Wednesday June 23, 2010 @10:09PM (#1457108)
Dude, a 10% conversion rate is pretty damn good. What startup are you talking about? I'm guessing that a signup != paying customer, correct? I think ads for free users is a very tough model. Now ads for software you're selling? That's definitely not impossible (ask patio11).
Re:GitHub founder tells you how to bootstrap a business by MicahWedemeyer on Thursday June 24, 2010 @08:23AM (#1457862)
We have a freemium model, and yes I'm saying 10% conversion to the free plan. From there we try and convert them to premium.
Re:GitHub founder tells you how to bootstrap a business by mkramlich on Wednesday June 23, 2010 @02:48PM (#1455853)
A personal experience of mine:

game A: spent $100's on Google ads ... made $0 revenue

game B: spent $0 on Google ads ... made $100's revenue

(disclaimer about other variables, YMMV, take with grain of salt, etc.)

Re:GitHub founder tells you how to bootstrap a business by blizkreeg on Wednesday June 23, 2010 @05:12PM (#1456360)
Has anyone seen good RoI on Facebook ads?