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Re:E-cigarettes ‘Potentially as Harmful as Tobacco Cigarettes’ by xigency on Monday June 12, 2017 @03:22PM (#14540202)
What about chewing tobacco? All smokeless tobacco has risks of cancer. I would not say that nicotine is harmless without a large amount of proof, and it should take about as much proof to say that it is not a carcinogen.
Re:E-cigarettes ‘Potentially as Harmful as Tobacco Cigarettes’ by DanBC on Monday June 12, 2017 @04:06PM (#14540617)
The US surgeon general has a really nice, fucking long, document about tobacco.

Everything in it is evidenced by as much research as they can get.

https://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/reports/50-years-of-p...

I agree that it's a bad idea to take nicotine in any form unless you need to, but it seems that nicotine is one of the less harmful parts of tobacco.

For chewing tobacco it's probably not the nicotine that's causing cancer, but all the other stuff.

Re:E-cigarettes ‘Potentially as Harmful as Tobacco Cigarettes’ by mistercow on Monday June 12, 2017 @03:42PM (#14540387)
There's actually been a lot of research on nicotine, and the conclusion is that it's _slightly_ carcinogenic.

But more to the point, there was little reason to believe it would cause cancer in the first place, compared to any other random compound. Its association with tobacco is a wash, because other compounds, like aldehydes, are completely sufficient to explain the carcinogenicity of smoking tobacco.

Re:E-cigarettes ‘Potentially as Harmful as Tobacco Cigarettes’ by PeterisP on Monday June 12, 2017 @08:23PM (#14542171)
Tobacco is full of really carcinogenic stuff other than nicotine.

For analysis of nicotine as such, you can refer to the known side-effects of nicotine dermal patches; they're well researched, approved by FDA, etc - the place of application can get skin irritation and itchiness; overdose of nicotine can get dizziness, headache, rapid heartbeat, and nausea (same as for too much nicotine through other means), but they're not known to cause cancer or other significant damage despite being used by very many people over very long time.

Re:E-cigarettes ‘Potentially as Harmful as Tobacco Cigarettes’ by posterboy on Monday June 12, 2017 @05:26PM (#14541269)
Nicotine is a neurotoxin. I'm sure it's fine though, as long as you didn't need your neurons anyway.
Re:E-cigarettes ‘Potentially as Harmful as Tobacco Cigarettes’ by cgag on Monday June 12, 2017 @08:31PM (#14542196)
Weird how it makes you perform better on mental tasks though
Re:E-cigarettes ‘Potentially as Harmful as Tobacco Cigarettes’ by mikeash on Tuesday June 13, 2017 @09:48AM (#14544657)
Aren't there a lot of drugs which enhance performance in the short term but are harmful in the long term?
Re:E-cigarettes ‘Potentially as Harmful as Tobacco Cigarettes’ by posterboy on Tuesday June 13, 2017 @05:41PM (#14548904)
That would be a paradox resolution. I suggest to likewise think of the short term effect as harm, so the long term effect is the accumulated harm.

Just like a light hit on the head would increase awareness, but increasing the force and repetition of the hits on the head is not well advised, when the effect wears off after overuse - to say nothing about the immediate effect of getting hit.

The perceived short term benefits are only secondary effects. And with regards to nicotine, all the arguments in favor are to be treated as extraordinary claims.

I wonder how the testing methodology works.