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Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by dopamean on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:13PM (#14539503)
This is really data from bootcamp grads (the top of the spreadsheet says so).
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by ben174 on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:21PM (#14539584)
This is an important distinction. The salaries on this sheet seem low overall, and it's probably because they're new grads from bootcamp. Someone with 10+ years of experience should be demanding more than the average salary on this list.
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by seanhandley on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:22PM (#14539600)
You're kidding me.

I'm in the UK, 10 years dev experience, BSc Computer Science.

Every single salary in that list is higher than mine.

Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by dsacco on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:31PM (#14539701)
> You're kidding me.

> I'm in the UK

That's why. This list is very US-centric. The disparity between metro US and metro UK is indeed that high.

Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by chambo622 on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:23PM (#14539610)
Based on talking to peers at my company who work in the UK, and corroborating stories from friends at similar companies, UK salaries are dramatically lower across the board.
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by Keats on Tuesday June 13, 2017 @04:43AM (#14543578)
You can replace "UK" by "the rest of the world" and it would still be accurate. For example, UK has probably the highest salaries in Europe.
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by user5994461 on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:41PM (#14539792)
A one bedroom is not $3000+ either.
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by djmobley on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:52PM (#14539916)
A one bedroom in London is easily $2000 though, so that only explains $12k difference in salary.
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by user5994461 on Monday June 12, 2017 @03:04PM (#14540043)
Doesn't make sense to count in dollars. You are not paid in dollars in London.

It's fluff talk about the exchange rate. It sure was more than $2000 last year when it was £1 for $1.5.

Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by seanmcdirmid on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:53PM (#14539933)
London, Cambridge...rents aren't low.
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by sonthonax on Monday June 12, 2017 @04:09PM (#14540639)
They very easily are. And cost per square foot is higher in London, so you're in a smaller place.
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by stingrae on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:27PM (#14539659)
Honestly, looking at the list and knowing how much people get paid at Google.(from personal experience) I found the salaries to be quite low in total compensation.
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by dsacco on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:37PM (#14539765)
I know fresh grads in the NYC area who have been offered $130k/year in total compensation from Google and Facebook. I've also known several engineers at Google making in the range of $300k-$500k/year.

There's going to be self-reporting bias here, but these salaries look right to me for bootcamp grads getting offers from the big tech companies.

Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by muro on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:40PM (#14539784)
as a starter offer? They have a wide range in the spreadsheet, but still overall high.
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by kevinrpope on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:25PM (#14539632)
When I lived in London in the late 2000s, dev salaries were shockingly low relative to what we saw in the states both before and after living in the UK.
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by em500 on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:31PM (#14539696)
And most of the rest of Europe is lower than London still.
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by ktu100 on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:25PM (#14539636)
anecdotal evidence from Facebook: if you transfer to London office instead of Bay Area, your salary gets slashed 20%
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by bencoder on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:28PM (#14539674)
That would still be very high for London/uk
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by mixmastamyk on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:29PM (#14539681)
Wow, and it's not like London is cheap.
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by ninjaroar on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:36PM (#14539755)
is that after conversion?

e.g.: 200k USD would equal (200 * 0.79 USD/GBP * 0.8) = 126k GBP?

I wonder if it is because salaries were set before the pound plummetted due to brexit.

For most companies, you at least get more vacation days in London, but i think facebook US already provides 21 business days, I would imagine facebook UK is the standard 5 weeks?

Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by jwarren on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:25PM (#14539639)
Similar... and by quite a margin too. This is very sobering.
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by rajeshp1986 on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:35PM (#14539747)
As an engineer who moved to US from India, I feel I am at loss while negotiating salary as I don't have a clear idea on how much people really make. I wish there could be a way to determine how much salary you should negotiate.
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by ben174 on Monday June 12, 2017 @08:22PM (#14542167)
http://h1bdata.info That's a public listing of all H1B salaries, should be all the information you need.
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by BigChiefSmokem on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:24PM (#14539626)
The CS degree column seems to confirm that as well. More proof that you don't need to hand over a small fortune to some college to succeed at what we do on a day to day basis. The industry should have a better indicator of who is a "front-line" developer and who is actually what I consider a computer scientist who is at the forefront of research and development in the field (and should be making a lot more salary/income).
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by learc83 on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:44PM (#14539827)
Not a lot of people going to dev bootcamps with CS degrees.

Also look at these company names. It would take competent, trained developer 12 weeks just to study for the google interview.

There is no way someone goes from, not a programmer, to passing Google interviews in 12 weeks. Either this boot camp is very selective in who they admit, or they are very selective in which salaries they show.

Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by poikniok on Monday June 12, 2017 @06:18PM (#14541574)
I am confident that one could learn enough algorithms in 12 weeks to pass the Google interview with no prior programming experience. One just needs to focus on competitive programming problems, start from the bottom, and work 50hrs a week.
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by learc83 on Monday June 12, 2017 @08:01PM (#14542100)
I will donate $100 to a charity of your choice if you can find me one person who went from zero coding experience to passing a Google interview in 12 weeks.

12 weeks is barley enough time to get the jargon down.

Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by somethingsometh on Tuesday June 13, 2017 @03:22AM (#14543341)
I'll add $100 to the pot
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by ThrustVectoring on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:53PM (#14539932)
"Not a programmer" covers a very wide range of folks, some of which are the ideal candidate for bootcamps - people with a vague technical background who aren't employed at a comparable salary.

Like, it covers former lawyers, electrical engineering dropouts, non-STEM research-based Masters degree, and current CS majors who want to cut to the chase.

So basically, yeah, bootcamps are selective. People who are 90% of the way to being a programmer can get the last 10% in twelve weeks. The average individual won't get accepted and won't make it through.

Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by bcassedy on Monday June 12, 2017 @06:12PM (#14541541)
a/A, the bootcamp primarily represented on this sheet, is indeed very selective. The spreadsheet is not filtered though not all alums participated. a/A tends to accept people with STEM degrees from good schools or people with career experience that translates fairly well to software development. I went to a/A 3 years ago as a college dropout who played poker professionally for a number of years. I remember being intimidated going in when the intro emails started flying and everyone seemed to be an engineering graduate from an Ivy League school or similar.

As part of the pre-course prep and application process, candidates are going to cover a good bit of ground. They won't have studied algorithms proper, but they'll have mastery of loops, control flow, and many toy problems.

Once the program starts, they'll get exposed to some basic algorithms and design principles by building games like chess or computer controlled hangman guesser. From there they will be introduced to web programming, javascript, and the relevant frameworks the program focuses on.

Then it's pulling it all together to build a site, create a portfolio, and begin studying data structures and algorithms. The last 2-3 weeks of the course are dedicated to data structures, practice whiteboarding, and job applications. Not many people are passing the Google interviews at the end of the 12 weeks, but some do. What usually happens is that people that are set on working at the Googles or Facebooks spend another month or so studying their butts off with things like Cracking the Coding Interview until they're ready.

Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by vhgs on Monday June 12, 2017 @06:00PM (#14541473)
It's not like they finish the program and walk into a Google interview the next day, you know. App Academy students won't normally even be working on that kind of stuff until after the course proper has ended.
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by morgtheborg on Monday June 12, 2017 @05:29PM (#14541281)
Or they did their 12 weeks and then studied on their own time.
Re:Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads by FT_intern on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:56PM (#14539957)
Specifically getting a CS degree might not be worth it but most bootcampers have a college degree. The selective bootcamps give a priority to people with STEM degrees from good schools