djmobley

It was a decisive victory for Leave, and it was made very clear to everyone voting that it was a once-in-a-generation referendum, the outcome of which would be respected.

MPs would then have been voted out for overruling the will of the people.

There was a referendum. Remain lost. Last year we had another General Election, with the Conservatives campaigning on a platform to get Brexit done, and they won decisively.

What I’ve actually been doing is resisting attempts to conflate two separate claims:

1) The claim that the EU has never forced the UK to do anything. Sheer nonsense. This is the claim I disputed all those levels above;

2) The claim that laws the EU has historically forced upon on the UK have been harmful.

There are plenty of examples of the latter (take the Tampon Tax as one [0]), but that’s not the claim I was making.

I haven’t advanced the latter claim because it is irrelevant.

Providing evidence of historic harm is not a prerequisite for principled opposition to the EU having the power to impose laws and overrule national courts.

[0] https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01...

EU nationals come to the UK, and they participate in both the labour and housing markets.

A small number act to stimulate supply in those markets (e.g. entrepreneurs setting up businesses, or construction workers building the pitiful number of new homes that get built each year), but the vast majority simply add to the demand-side, driving down wages and increasing rents and property prices.

This applies to both skilled and unskilled migrants. The former often come with savings and significant professional experience. Great for businesses, rubbish for our young people.

Because a free trade deal between the US and UK would be mutually beneficial.

Talks have been ongoing for some time now, and I would expect a deal to materialize in the coming years.

The UK housing crisis is a complex issue with several driving factors.

My point in this thread is that uncontrolled migration from the EU has not helped the matter.

It is a real, tangible example of how EU membership has harmed the prospects of young people in the UK.

If young people in the UK genuinely didn’t want to do “menial” jobs, employers would either increase the pay until they filled the roles, or invest in the more highly skilled labour necessary to render those roles redundant.

I should point out I’m talking about both skilled and unskilled labour here.

British university graduates don’t stand a chance when they’re undercut by French, Spanish or Italian professionals with a decade of professional experience willing to work for peanuts.

It’s good to know EU nationals don’t need housing, so the millions residing in the UK aren’t adding any pressure whatsoever to our existing housing crisis.

Of course, how could I forget the brownfield sites.

I’ll let all the young people know there isn’t a housing crisis after all, and seeing as the millions of EU nationals residing in the UK don’t need housing, young people needn’t worry.

Brexit (Britain’s exit from the European Union) happened on 31 January 2020.

There’s a long list of major economies that don’t have free trade deals with the EU, such as the United States, China, India and Australia.

When people refer to a “Canada” style trade deal in the context of Brexit, they are referring to the free trade deal between Canada and the EU.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Economic_and_T...

By definition, the laws the EU have forced on the UK were opposed by the UK government, and would not have made their way into UK law had they not been forced by the EU.

You’re using PPP-adjusted figures which distort the picture. The latest wave of migration to the UK has been from Romania, not Poland.

I’m not talking about refugees, I’m talking about economic migrants, both skilled and unskilled.

In any event, please could you explain to me how adding approx. 3.5m EU nationals to the UK benefits young people?

Consider the challenges faced by young people in the UK today, including widespread unemployment and underemployment, and a chronic housing shortage where the supply of housing is virtually fixed.

I was responding to a claim that “[as] a member of the EU we have never once, ever been “forced” into anything.”

I have not made any claim about those laws causing me trouble, but the ability of the EU to force laws on the UK certainly troubled me.

Perhaps I’m missing something, but how does a list of 72 laws the EU forced on the UK refute the “myth” that the EU forced laws on the UK?

For the benefit of non-UK readers, the source in question (The Guardian) is a left-wing newspaper that is highly critical of the current UK government, and has been opposed to Brexit throughout the process.

> As a member of the EU we have never once, ever been “forced” into anything.

Total nonsense. The EU set laws the UK had to follow, and the ECJ had the power to overrule UK courts.

> I live in the UK. Brexit will only make my life worse. I don't see any upside to it.

Brexit has clearly had a significant detrimental effect on your life, given it happened eleven months ago and you’re still writing about it in the future tense.

The EU is a protectionist trade bloc like any other and imposes tariffs and quotas on trade with countries outside the bloc accordingly.

Regain what freedoms, exactly?

The freedom to be undercut in the labour market and priced out of the housing market by uncontrolled immigration from other EU countries?

Except none of that applies to the deal that’s been negotiated between the UK and the EU...

And yet for some reason we’re discussing this in a thread about a free trade deal that’s just been agreed between the UK and EU, which allows free movement of goods without tariffs or quotas.

Worth pointing out the truck backlog is unrelated to Brexit.

I’m sure they have options, but do they have options to work for employers that perfectly align with their own moral compass?

I doubt even Facebook employees have that luxury, which is the point I made.

Note I said: “based on whether they are individually comfortable with every aspect of the organisation’s impact on the world.”

I’m sure Facebook employees are talented and have options for employment, but even they are unlikely to find an employer perfectly aligned with their own moral compass.

Most people do not have the luxury of being able to pick and choose their employer based on whether they are individually comfortable with every aspect of the organisation’s impact on the world.

Most people have bills to pay, mouths to feed, and would be delighted to have a well paid job with a leading tech firm.

RAID is not a backup.

It really is as simple as that, and it is helpful to remind people so they do not suffer the harms likely to result from mistakenly believing that RAID is a backup.

Your comment has nothing to do with the logistics of rolling out a mass vaccination programme, but how exactly have the UK government’s Brexit negotiations “undermined and compromised UK logistics”?

Negotiations are ongoing to secure a trade deal with the EU once the transition period is over. The UK are also securing trade deals with other countries, including Canada and Japan.

Both sides recognise failure to reach a deal, or to extend the transition period, would be damaging for both sides.

Which is precisely why both sides are negotiating a deal to ensure that doesn’t happen...

Am I missing something here?

Appears to be the same chip as the ROCKPro64 (Rockchip RK3399 SOC with Mali T860 MP4 GPU) from Pine64.

https://www.pine64.org/rockpro64/