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Re:Stop Pretending You’re Not Rich by golergka on Monday June 12, 2017 @08:14AM (#14536628)
> I would happily pay 80% taxes if I knew that when I needed it most the welfare state would have my back, but I know that it won't.

What's stopping you from saving up same amount of money?

> if I was to get an incurable disease I would slide down the income scale without a break.

...as would your utility to the society. It's understandable, from basic moral instinct, that society would continue to provide you with basic food and shelter, would such a thing happen. But why on Earth would I, for example, be compelled to continue pay you your former salary (since we're on HN, I'd assume you're on senior software engineer level) after you can no longer provide the relevant service?

Re:Stop Pretending You’re Not Rich by bicubic on Monday June 12, 2017 @08:20AM (#14536671)
> What's stopping you from saving up same amount of money?

The fact that it would put him at a significant relative quality of life disadvantage compared to his peers. A widespread 80% tax would not.

Re:Stop Pretending You’re Not Rich by InitialLastName on Monday June 12, 2017 @09:10AM (#14537060)
Slightly OT: I'm really glad my parents raised me not to judge my "quality of life" based on how much money my peers spend. This way I can save hard, and get off the wage slave treadmill early.
Re:Stop Pretending You’re Not Rich by golergka on Monday June 12, 2017 @10:36AM (#14537674)
Which drives home the most important point about socialism. While capitalism is keeping up with the joneses, socialism is about making sure the joneses are kept in their place.
Re:Stop Pretending You’re Not Rich by fivestar on Monday June 12, 2017 @08:31AM (#14536743)
All that an 80% tax would do is suck the wealth away to the 1% even faster. No one is minding the store--the money the federal government takes now at 25-33% is mostly wasted on nonsense that benefits the war machine, the healthcare machinery (think: rent seekers) and all manner of pork projects. I can't see forfeiting even more to them, I just wouldn't bother to work at all. Enough is enough when it comes to this socialist utopia dream--it doesn't exist, it has never existed, it will never exist.
Re:Stop Pretending You’re Not Rich by pjc50 on Monday June 12, 2017 @08:41AM (#14536812)
Hi, I went to a doctor this morning and recieved a prescription for which I will pay nothing. Apparently I don't exist?
Re:Stop Pretending You’re Not Rich by fivestar on Monday June 12, 2017 @11:51AM (#14538223)
That money came out of someone else's pocket! It is not free. The free lunch is what doesn't exist and has never existed.
Re:Stop Pretending You’re Not Rich by pjc50 on Monday June 12, 2017 @11:56AM (#14538266)
> That money came out of someone else's pocket!

This is also true of insurance systems.

Nobody's pretending that socialised systems magic healthcare out of thin air, it's more a question of total resources spent by society and distribution of outcomes - including whether certain people get rationed out of the system because they can't afford it.

Re:Stop Pretending You’re Not Rich by fivestar on Tuesday June 13, 2017 @11:53AM (#14545722)
Insurance is voluntary--you can opt out. I can't opt out of taxes and put that money to other uses. It is am matter of economic freedom of choice.