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Re:The electric car has dropped out of favor in Denmark by LeifCarrotson on Monday June 12, 2017 @08:11AM (#14536614)
The tax on cars is largely for environmental/societal reasons. Pollution is an expensive, damaging externality for society largely caused by cars; the infrastructure for a car culture is VERY expensive to maintain; car-dependent cities are less attractive to live in.

A single-digit sales tax or registration fee does not cover these costs to society caused by car owners. Therefore, these costs must be covered by the general fund: from income, payroll, and business taxes. These all apply equally whether or not you own a car, so if you don't buy a car, you're still paying for the environmental cost of having one but not getting the benefits.

Denmark has done a smart thing by placing high taxes on cars. Reasonable taxation policy helps make this decision more rational. The flat tax usually makes sense because cheap cars are likely to be low-powered sub-compacts, which have a smaller impact, while expensive luxury cars are more likely to be high-powered, heavy, large vehicles.

But EVs (and hybrids, to a lesser extent) break this model. They are expensive, but environmentally friendly. It makes sense to encourage their adoption through tax breaks. That is not a shift of wealth from the poor to the rich, it's an intelligent exception in a model intended to shift costs away from all of society to the source of those costs.

Re:The electric car has dropped out of favor in Denmark by ant6n on Monday June 12, 2017 @08:46AM (#14536854)
> But EVs (and hybrids, to a lesser extent) break this model. They are expensive, but environmentally friendly.

Not quite. EVs reduce direct pollution, but there are still a lot of negative externalities. There are obvious ones relating to the manufacture and also to then still requiring energy.

But car culture itself has all sorts of issues, no matter the drive train: it encourages bad urbanism and sprawl (with large environmental impact), encourages inefficient land use via extensive parking, it taxes the infrastructure, it encourages bad health, and also some direct accidents.

Re:The electric car has dropped out of favor in Denmark by donquichotte on Monday June 12, 2017 @09:58AM (#14537401)
"environmentally friendly" here means shifting pollution from the rich to the poor, i.e. from our western European cities to the countries where all the materials needed to produce the batteries and light-weight chassis are mined: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-19830232
Re:The electric car has dropped out of favor in Denmark by NuDinNou on Monday June 12, 2017 @11:58AM (#14538289)
Myth: The Tesla uses a lot of graphite in their battery, which contributes to China’s pollution problem.

Actually: The logic here is: “Tesla batteries use graphite; the world’s biggest source of graphite is in China; China has terrible pollution; therefore, Tesla is partially responsible for China’s pollution.” Except when I did some digging, I learned that Tesla uses synthetic graphite made mostly in Japan and Poland, and that the average Model S uses 100kg of it. That 100kg lasts for ten years, so the amount of graphite used to make a Model S is similar to the amount you’d use if you had a few barbecues a year.

Re:The electric car has dropped out of favor in Denmark by ant6n on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:20PM (#14539580)
There are pollution issues related to rare earth materials, and aluminium also requires a lot of energy.

But the big issue is still car culture and related energy waste, urban development and health issues.

Re:The electric car has dropped out of favor in Denmark by eeZah7Ux on Monday June 12, 2017 @08:55AM (#14536944)
Why the downvotes? Building and maintaining big roads, bridges, parking spaces has a huge social and environmental impact compared to increasing public transportation.
Re:The electric car has dropped out of favor in Denmark by WorldMaker on Monday June 12, 2017 @12:20PM (#14538461)
Public transportation is preferable to cars, but let us not paint electric cars as having any more negative externalities than their internal combustion brethren.

(The steel/aluminum/plastics of a car's exterior/interior/chassis are shared by cars regardless of drive train and still the overall impact of those materials dwarfs the environmental impact of battery technologies.)

Re:The electric car has dropped out of favor in Denmark by ant6n on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:16PM (#14539538)
> let us not paint electric cars as having any more negative externalities than their internal combustion brethren.

I wrote:

> EVs reduce direct pollution, but there are still a lot of negative externalities.

Re:The electric car has dropped out of favor in Denmark by WorldMaker on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:55PM (#14539952)
Sorry, I wasn't specifically directing that comment at you. There are a lot of people that will read what you wrote and assume you mean there are more negative externalities than the equivalent internal combustion car. Certainly you see that sort of talk/mythology a lot lately. I read your comment that way at first, but realized that was not what you had meant, but I can certainly see people downvoting it for assuming that is what you meant.
Re:The electric car has dropped out of favor in Denmark by RodericDay on Monday June 12, 2017 @11:40AM (#14538128)
People don't like to be reminded that buying mansions with solar shingles and electric sports cars are far more about making consumers feel good than about meaningfully saving the planet in any sense.

Trickle down environmentalism is just like regular trickle down economics.

Re:The electric car has dropped out of favor in Denmark by chc on Monday June 12, 2017 @01:01PM (#14538819)
It's a digression, the topic is brought up in nearly every HN thread where somebody mentions the word "car," the ensuing discussions generally have the character of a religious debate, and that comment brings nothing new to the discussion. Being correct isn't enough to make a comment worthwhile.

ETA: For what it's worth, I think the downvotes on this comment are fair too. It doesn't need to be reiterated that tired, off-topic comments are tired and off-topic every time somebody makes one. I answered because I feel bad when I see somebody confused, but this is another example of a comment that probably deserves to be downvoted even though it's correct.

Re:The electric car has dropped out of favor in Denmark by ant6n on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:18PM (#14539553)
Then you should downvote the GP claiming that EVs should receive taxes subsidies becayse they "are environmentally friendly".
Re:The electric car has dropped out of favor in Denmark by Grustaf on Monday June 12, 2017 @12:04PM (#14538344)
"there are still a lot of negative externalities"

True. but luckily most people don't commute by car here in Denmark, bike infrastructure is close to perfect. And most energy is renewable, so it's not as bad as it could have been.

Re:The electric car has dropped out of favor in Denmark by _pmf_ on Monday June 12, 2017 @10:06AM (#14537462)
> car-dependent cities are less attractive to live in

That's a nice rationalizing lie we like to tell ourselves; they are not nice to live in, but we vastly prefer them to be that way and get very, very angry if something is not car-accessible.

Re:The electric car has dropped out of favor in Denmark by TulliusCicero on Monday June 12, 2017 @10:37AM (#14537681)
What people want is car accessibility for their car in particular, but none of the pesky traffic that results from other people having cars. In other words, a fantasy.
Re:The electric car has dropped out of favor in Denmark by Grustaf on Monday June 12, 2017 @12:08PM (#14538369)
No we don't. Danish people are supposed to be the happiest on earth, and Copenhagen is definitely not a car-dependent city.

Speaking more generally, I'd say few cities in Europe fit your description. Within the city limits I think people pretty much expect cars to be the least practical mode of transport. Very few shops have parking lots, and getting around is very slow. It's probably true in the US though.

Re:The electric car has dropped out of favor in Denmark by detritus on Monday June 12, 2017 @02:15PM (#14539528)
London is not a wonderful place to live in any more (immo) but would be infinitely worse if it required a car to move around usefully.

Thankfully the one thing that this place gets right is the range and organisation of Public Transport.