Re:Carnot Efficient Dyson Spheres Are Undetectable by Infrar...
by neals on Saturday June 10, 2017 @09:03AM
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So, just musing here, no actual knowledge on any of this: what if a Dyson sphere was 100% efficient and feed its energy back into it's power-source. Could this sphere exists for all of eternity? Trapping all energy inside and recycling it?
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Re:Carnot Efficient Dyson Spheres Are Undetectable by Infrar...
by danieltillett on Saturday June 10, 2017 @09:08AM
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The second law of thermodynamics makes 100% efficiency impossible. The Carnot efficiency is just a measure of how close you can get to 100%.
It must be a slow day on HN for this post of mine to make the front page :)
Re:Carnot Efficient Dyson Spheres Are Undetectable by Infrar...
by neals on Saturday June 10, 2017 @09:14AM
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Is there any way you could explain to the uninformed, like myself, where the energy would leak? Is it impossible to make a 100% isolated sphere? Would radiation or other kind of waves always pass through?
Re:Carnot Efficient Dyson Spheres Are Undetectable by Infrar...
by jonlawlor on Saturday June 10, 2017 @09:34AM
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If it was 100% isolated, the heat from the sun would continually increase the internal temperature, which would probably be bad. They're looking for a steady state dyson sphere.
Re:Carnot Efficient Dyson Spheres Are Undetectable by Infrar...
by danieltillett on Saturday June 10, 2017 @09:22AM
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The energy is converted from short wavelength (visble light) to longer wavelengths (infrared). A Dyson sphere would act as a black body [1] and radiates energy at the temperature of the sphere outer surface.
Re:Carnot Efficient Dyson Spheres Are Undetectable by Infrar...
by leni536 on Saturday June 10, 2017 @10:52AM
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The problem with a 100% isolated sphere that you can't dump entropy either.
Re:Carnot Efficient Dyson Spheres Are Undetectable by Infrar...
by comicjk on Saturday June 10, 2017 @10:44AM
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Energy can't be recycled in that sense. There is a maximum amount of useful work which can be extracted from a given source of energy - this is called the "exergy." Exergy is not conserved. Once all the exergy is gone, it doesn't matter how much energy there is; it can't be moved around or manipulated in any way.