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Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by e9 on Friday June 09, 2017 @04:01PM (#14524038)
Interesting how they call this illegal because airport is within 5 miles. Airport is almost unrelated to this particular situation but I guess it's a concrete way to make person liable.
Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by dmitrygr on Friday June 09, 2017 @04:04PM (#14524062)
The law states that FAA owns airspace and that flying within 5nm of towered airport without contacting tower is illegal. Simple.
Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by foone on Friday June 09, 2017 @04:19PM (#14524184)
I checked, and that means it's basically illegal to fly a drone in the bay area: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB54FczUQAEQ5D6.jpg:large
Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by dionidium on Friday June 09, 2017 @04:43PM (#14524389)
It's not just the Bay Area. The restrictions and FAA guidelines are written in a way that prohibits almost all recreational flying in urban areas. I don't think I've seen a single widely-shared drone video that wasn't afoul of the law.
Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by milkthefat on Friday June 09, 2017 @05:15PM (#14524647)
Depending on your definition of widely-shared: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP9KY3lNeBc
Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by arnarbi on Friday June 09, 2017 @04:56PM (#14524494)
.. without notifying the airport, yes. You can fly within 5 miles if you give them notice (it can be a voicemail/email).
Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by abakker on Friday June 09, 2017 @07:28PM (#14525339)
Not quite. You can fly below 400 feet AGL as long as you stay out of the immediate part of the class B,c,d airspace that touches the ground. While a lot of the bay is regulated airspace, there is plenty of area below 400feet that is not within he class b/c/d. SFO is class B, but most of the others are class C and do not extend quite so far.

As for notices, if you are working near airports with drones commercially, filing a NOTAM is a good idea. If you are Within the airspace, you will need to get permission from the control tower, which requires advanced filing. (Up to 90 days ahead of time). Calling the local tower/airport as a hobbyist is a bad idea. Instead, just fly somewhere else, and NEVER fly above 400 feet or within regulated airspace.

Note that apps like AirMap can help figure this stuff out, however, there are a lot of helipads in the city that make things problematic. Some of which are not actually still there, but which were never removed from the FAA records. However, the UCSF medical center is one which is active. Also, IME tourist/ sightseeing helicopters regularly fly too low in the bay. If a drone causes an accident, even if the pilot of the helicopter is flying illegally low I doubt anyone would side with the drone operator.

Finally, even as a hobbyist, it is worth getting verifly if you are flying in busy areas. Being able to buy spot insurance for flights is great if you are flying somewhere unfamiliar, or testing a new drone.

Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by asynchronous13 on Saturday June 10, 2017 @01:24PM (#14528197)
> Calling the local tower/airport as a hobbyist is a bad idea.

Yet, that is what the FAA says to do.

Friends in the local flying club are really trying to obey all the rules, and call the tower because they are ~4 miles away from the airport. At first, the people at the local tower were just annoyed by the phone calls and would say, "I don't care if you're flying a toy 4 miles away. Why are you calling?" Now that the new rules are more known, the person who answers is very quick and courteous, "Where are you? Stay under 400, have fun."

Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by arnarbi on Saturday June 10, 2017 @04:36PM (#14529088)
They can get a letter of agreement from the tower that says they don't have to call every time. Then they can be legal without annoying ATC.
Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by arnarbi on Saturday June 10, 2017 @04:34PM (#14529083)
You are talking about part 107 operations. I was talking about part 101. You can fly in any airspace (because as a hobbyist you're not expected to know airspaces). But you must notify airports within 5 miles, which has nothing to do with airspace.

> Calling the local tower/airport as a hobbyist is a bad idea.

Please do the spread misinformation like that. You can be perfectly safe if you follow the rules even within the 5 mile radius.

Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by abakker on Sunday June 11, 2017 @06:21PM (#14534115)
Apologies. My mistake. At multiple time during part 107 training they told us not to bug ATC. I didn't realize that the hobbyist restrictions indicated differently.
Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by arnarbi on Monday June 12, 2017 @12:55PM (#14538766)
Ah, I'm sorry for the tone in my comment.

Btw even as 107 certified, you can still always opt to operate a flight as a hobbyist, as long as you meet the 101 criteria (non-commercial, LOS, etc.)

Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by dmitrygr on Friday June 09, 2017 @04:21PM (#14524206)
That is correct except for places like pacifica
Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by asveikau on Saturday June 10, 2017 @12:01PM (#14527802)
I don't see a legend. What do the areas with diagonal lines mean?
Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by libria on Friday June 09, 2017 @04:19PM (#14524189)
Yes but I would still want applicable laws preventing drone instigated powerouts for the rest of the country not within 5 mi of an airport.
Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by ouid on Saturday June 10, 2017 @04:20AM (#14526589)
How do they measure 5 nanometers?
Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by Sir_Substance on Friday June 09, 2017 @04:19PM (#14524185)
Safe and efficient flight routes, like useful frequency spectra, are a high demand limited space quantity that can't be used by two people at the same time. To my mind, flying near an airport is actually the more troublesome crime, because people will assume it doesn't matter, but it definitely does.

An international flight system is only possible because a highly regulated system exists to ensure that a French plane flying east over Ukrainian airspace won't collide with a Norwegian plane going south, which is why all major flight plans are filed in advance.

If some scrub with $500 and no brain forces a plane to deviate from it's flight path to avoid sucking his $350 drone into its $12,000,000 engine, it could cause a chain-reaction of re-routing that costs tens of thousands of dollars in fuel and delay associated costs.

Don't fuck with airports. If you've got to scratch that public nuisance itch, go fishing with dynamite or something.

Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by ams6110 on Friday June 09, 2017 @05:48PM (#14524866)
Not really a big deal. Hundreds of airplanes deviate every day for weather, technical problems, medical issues on board, etc. Deviations are normal and accommodated.
Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by TeMPOraL on Saturday June 10, 2017 @10:51AM (#14527529)
They deviate because they have to. Trying to cause that on purpose is intentionally wasting tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, and is a pretty antisocial thing to do.
Re:Thursday night Mountain View power outage the result of a... by gugagore on Friday June 09, 2017 @04:27PM (#14524262)
Okay, but it doesn't make sense to me how a plane deviating (somehow) in order not to collide with a drone would affect any other plane. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_(aeronautics)