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Re:UK sees longest period of negative power prices by ars on Friday June 09, 2017 @02:03AM (#14519448)
This doesn't happen. If you shut down every fast responding power source, then there is not enough power and the price will not go negative.

For example the article talks about wind. Wind generators have no problem shutting down.

No, it's not about the privilege of not shutting down, it's what I said: it's simply the bottom of the order book, not the actual flow of money.

Re:UK sees longest period of negative power prices by snowwindwaves on Friday June 09, 2017 @02:38AM (#14519566)
The article is about this just happening in the UK. For 5 consecutive hours the price was minus $25.

It also happens in Ontario, and maybe elsewhere but I don't know as much about how other markets deal with oversupply.

Wind generators generally have fixed price contracts for as much as they can produce so they carry on generating even if the price is negative and they get the same positive price. Or if they do have to shut down for system reliability they will get paid even though they didn't generate any power. That is called being constrained off.

If the price is negative it is because generators would rather pay than go offline. The nuclear plants in Ontario will bid negative because they have real costs if they have to alter their output.

I maintain that the price is negative because the highest selected bid was negative, and any generators producing during those 5 hours had to pay $25 for every MWH they produced.

are you in the power business in the UK?

I used to work on software that implemented the market settlement rules in Ontario in order to calculate a distribution utility's cost of power every day, and I've also spoken at length with an economist who wrote market rules, and examined the behavior of the market participants for compliance with the rules, but it is possible that the uk and Ontario markets differ in this regard, although the article indicates the price was negative.