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A comment on Germany’s dividend-stripping tax scandal. Parent comment

Re:Germany’s dividend-stripping tax scandal by ThomPete on Thursday June 08, 2017 @07:59AM (#14513478)
Theft is defined by law so no Tax is not theft. There isn't an objective definition of theft. No one owns anything by any other definition than what society or the strongest define.
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Re:Germany’s dividend-stripping tax scandal by VMG on Thursday June 08, 2017 @08:00AM (#14513485)
A person owns himself or herself. Slavery is immoral and wrong even where it is legal or was legal.
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Re:Germany’s dividend-stripping tax scandal by ThomPete on Thursday June 08, 2017 @08:13AM (#14513559)
No they dont own themself there is no such thing in nature as owning yourself. It's something we have agreed upon over thousands of years but you don't actually own yourself.

If you are the strongest you can stand for yourself but there is no natural law that prevents someone from making you a slave of them.

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Re:Germany’s dividend-stripping tax scandal by throwawaymanbot on Thursday June 08, 2017 @08:36AM (#14513701)
No ones saying that in the law of the jungle that isnt the case. It's different rules there for sure. But thats why we have progressed to where we are today.

Since We live in a western democratic civilization, and there are laws against that very thing, I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

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Re:Germany’s dividend-stripping tax scandal by ThomPete on Thursday June 08, 2017 @08:50AM (#14513783)
What I am saying is that the theft discussion is defined by society and the laws of society. So you can't claim that Tax is theft.
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Re:Germany’s dividend-stripping tax scandal by VMG on Thursday June 08, 2017 @09:03AM (#14513848)
Then neither is tax avoidance.
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Re:Germany’s dividend-stripping tax scandal by ThomPete on Thursday June 08, 2017 @09:11AM (#14513911)
Not naturally no. Only be the law of society just like ownership is given by society and doesn't exist "out there"

I was responding to a claim that tax is theft if theft is defined by involuntarily giving something up.

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Re:Germany’s dividend-stripping tax scandal by atemerev on Thursday June 08, 2017 @08:00AM (#14513482)
In th natural/positive law debate, I am strongly on the natural side.
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Re:Germany’s dividend-stripping tax scandal by ThomPete on Thursday June 08, 2017 @08:14AM (#14513566)
What natural side? Where do you ultimately get the right to ownership from if not purely from your ability to fight for your claim to ownership?

It just doesn't exist "out there"

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Re:Germany’s dividend-stripping tax scandal by atemerev on Thursday June 08, 2017 @09:06AM (#14513874)
Some arbitrary atrocities were made legal at some points in history. Were they morally more acceptable after that?
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Re:Germany’s dividend-stripping tax scandal by ThomPete on Thursday June 08, 2017 @09:13AM (#14513922)
No. But society functioned better after we agreed to personal ownership. To maintain that though there is a price, that price is taxes.

If you want to not pay taxes you either must take the punishment, fight to become the defining power of said society or move to somewhere you don't have to pay taxes.

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