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Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by AznHisoka on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @01:50PM (#14508407)
I used to work at Standard and Poors. They do media monitoring for lots of financial companies.

When I joined, I thought they using state of the art tools to monitor millions of sources.

Turns out they just had a team of thousands in India that manually visited certain websites to check for press releases, transcripts, earnings reports, etc and push them to a database if they found them.

Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by westoque on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @08:13PM (#14510929)
Related. I know a company that does analysis for soccer games. I thought it was state of the art too until they told me they just hired a bunch of people from China that logged every move (distance ran, kicks, etc) from eveyone and also put it in the database.
Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by tomascot on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @09:02PM (#14511121)
go on...
Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by JBlue42 on Thursday June 08, 2017 @01:09AM (#14512035)
Don't know about the China angle but the life of a soccer analyst isn't all it's made out to be:

- https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/01/the-secret-so...

- https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/01/the-secret-so...

There's plenty of other blogs / articles out there now that people are trying to "Moneyball" soccer a bit more. Like anything that has a tinge of glamour and a lot of money around it, you have to take poor earnings to "pay your dues" in the trenches. Same as other aspects of pro sports, entertainment, etc. Hopefully something motivates you other than money.

Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by tomascot on Thursday June 08, 2017 @09:54AM (#14514166)
I was curious about the logging system for that kind of data. Now that I know the name of the position I made a search and found that most systems use people to input the data. Thank you.
Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by ci5er on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @10:09PM (#14511369)
Well, that makes sense, doesn't it? Back in "the day" when certain US companies were trying to convert all the Whitepages and Yellowpages nation-wide into CD-ROMs, they'd ship phonebooks from each zip-code to China to have them triple entered (error correction), and then that's where the nation-wide CD-ROM phone-books came from. This is the same deal, no?
Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by steve371 on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @02:03PM (#14508521)
this somehow made me laugh so hard. made my day~
Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by kobeya on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @02:08PM (#14508556)
laugh, and then cry
Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by rkwasny on Thursday June 08, 2017 @04:46AM (#14512839)
@AznHisoka I would like to hear more about this! This is exactly a problem we are trying to solve (http://evolution.ai)

One cannot even imagine how many people in the world have a boring job of looking at word document and C&P some of the data into excel spreadsheet. Other half have a job of looking at some document and effectively making Yes/No decisions all day.

Disclaimer, I am the CTO

Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by tedmiston on Friday June 09, 2017 @10:32AM (#14521623)
Sounds similar to Scale (https://www.scaleapi.com)
Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by gaius on Saturday June 10, 2017 @01:11PM (#14528127)
I'm sure they'd rather no job than a dull job... Oh wait.
Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by sharemywin on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @01:54PM (#14508445)
wonder if that could be crawled and save money.
Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by dismantlethesun on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @04:18PM (#14509550)
Accuracy. Every solution I've seen that relies on automatic crawling will eventually have a parsing error when someone changes their sentence structure of a press release.

It's not so obvious when you're looking at the breaking releases for a few stocks or companies, but historical records have at least 1 error per stock per year.

Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by greggyb on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @09:04PM (#14511132)
So split your stream:

    1. Data matching expectations (you do have a definition of correct, right?)

    2. Log for manual review -> manual inserts or correction and placed into queue for (1)
Monitor (2). When inserts start trending up, it may be time to update your processing logic.
Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by flukus on Thursday June 08, 2017 @01:58AM (#14512210)
I came up with a similar idea for a company several years ago where we had a team of people doing data entry from faxed documents. I wanted to build something that would do all the OCR it could and then display it to users to verify, which should have been a 10 times efficiency increase, not to mention speed and accuracy.

The idea was rejected, they wanted either a perfect solution or nothing. I don't know why, but for some reason the idea computers removing humans is acceptable to management, but computers augmenting humans wasn't.

Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by platz on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @05:27PM (#14510015)
right, it depends on what the reward for high precision vs high recall is
Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by thehardsphere on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @06:24PM (#14510337)
Would writing and maintaining the crawler be less expensive than paying the small army of third world employees to manually check pages all day?
Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by DigDugDoug on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @08:07PM (#14510896)
The short answer is that it would depend on the value of any precision loss that occurred and whether or not the shift would disrupt any other systems, be they social or technical, within the company. But with that in mind, there's also the issue of whether or not the money saved would be worth it. It's very possible that S&P simply has enough money to play with that any savings from swapping to an automated solution for media monitoring aren't worth the potential disruption to the company workflow.
Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by sjg007 on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @02:11PM (#14508577)
or just set google alerts.
Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by tomascot on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @09:03PM (#14511131)
financial companies usually use the worst formats to extract info from.
Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by bm1362 on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @02:10PM (#14508569)
Woah there cowboy
Re:How to avoid picking the wrong technology just because it... by s_kilk on Thursday June 08, 2017 @11:42AM (#14514951)
Humans are the cheapest machines.