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Re:“Let her speak please” by walterstucco on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @09:10AM (#14506062)
> This is a painfully frustrating reminder that women get talked over by men

men get talked over as well

some people just talk over other people

nothing new

Re:“Let her speak please” by roberto on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @10:01AM (#14506489)
I can't find the study, but men interrupt women much more than they interrupt men. Also, women interrupt other women more than they interrupt men as well.
Re:“Let her speak please” by ethbro on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @10:36AM (#14506763)
http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2014/07/23/study_m...

Men are 3x as likely to interrupt women. Women will interrupt women, but rarely men.

Informal study, but decent sample size.

Re:“Let her speak please” by Sacho on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @03:05PM (#14509005)
I don't think this informal study presents as strong of an argument as you may think it does. As the author themselves admitted, seniority was strongly correlated with rate of interruption, but they didn't control for that in their overall gender comparison. The top three out of four interrupters were women. As it turns out, that particular set of people had a lower number of women in positions of seniority. Is that not a plausible explanation, or at least a confounding factor that you would like to eliminate, before you declare that men interrupt x3 as much?
Re:“Let her speak please” by ethbro on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @05:15PM (#14509943)
Do you have another, more rigorous study?
Re:“Let her speak please” by tutufan on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @01:38PM (#14508293)
"Informal study"? Isn't that an oxymoron?
Re:“Let her speak please” by tclancy on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @12:26PM (#14507680)
It's funny that you linked to that as I was about to dig up a more recent episode, http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/lexicon_valley/2017/0.... Which is in no way to diminish the fact men talk over women but to point out the idea of different conversational styles and how they can each frustrate the other.
Re:“Let her speak please” by devmunchies on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @01:59PM (#14508489)
If men are 3x as likely to interrupt women, is it sexism or simply a biological tendency? And if it is a biological tendency, is it not sexist to shame men for their more assertive tendencies?
Re:“Let her speak please” by ethbro on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @02:15PM (#14508608)
Does it matter?

I'd put the emphasis on the outcome: women being able to express their opinions and contribute to the conversation / problem. Being interrupted (while speaking less in the first place) seems counterproductive to that end.

Re:“Let her speak please” by devmunchies on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @02:19PM (#14508643)
So its an argument between equal opportunity and equal outcome. It sounds like people want to shame men so as to gain an equal outcome.

Is there a better solution? I'm being serious.

(At the very least, we don't need to accuse men of being sexist if is proven to be a biological tendency—we should call a spade a spade)

Re:“Let her speak please” by ethbro on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @05:20PM (#14509975)
How is sexism that's biologically based not sexism? Just like biologically based racism (not my race) still being racist?

The equal outcome is men and women both being given equal and fair opportunities to express their viewpoints.

If this isn't the case because {reason}, then to me that's justification enough to attempt to redress the issue through modified behavior.

Re:“Let her speak please” by orbitingpluto on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @02:06PM (#14508542)
If men are 3x as likely to engage in violent behaviour, is it sexism or simply a biological tendency? And if it is a biological tendency, is it not sexist to shame men for their more assertive tendencies?

/sarcasm

Re:“Let her speak please” by devmunchies on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @02:11PM (#14508580)
Interrupting somebody else isn't physically hurting anybody. This is a real argument that affects lots of people. Don't dilute it with your sarcastic strawmans.
Re:“Let her speak please” by orbitingpluto on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @02:50PM (#14508886)
I was countering one strawman argument with another. Please realize that the bar to meet here isn't violence, it's professional and courtesy.
Re:“Let her speak please” by devmunchies on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @03:51PM (#14509372)
When did I advocate violence? I was trying to take a step back by suggesting that there may be no sexism involved here. Its a valid point.
Re:“Let her speak please” by orbitingpluto on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @04:45PM (#14509722)
You didn't. I don't think you did. It was just a reverse moving goalposts argument to suggest that both propositions were wrong.

But "if men are 3x as likely to interrupt women" is literally an example of sexism... the likelihood of interrupting a woman over interrupting a man.

Sexism IS a biological tendency. There is no rational basis for it when scientists are contributing to something as esoteric as string theory. This story overwhelmingly demonstrates how absurd sexism can get.

In any case it is perfectly acceptable to shame someone when they are being rude and excluding someone one from contributing. Especially when that someone is an expert.

The reason why I think she did not take any affront is because she already understands the subject matter. She's motivated not only in understanding herself, but in determining and helping others to comprehend. She can't actually engage in a proper discussion until she realizes that her counterpart also understands the material. When things get complicated, you have to continually establish a common basis for discussion which requires fostering patience.

Re:“Let her speak please” by walterstucco on Sunday June 11, 2017 @07:17PM (#14534342)
> Sexism IS a biological tendency

not at all

sexism is behaviour

sexism is believing that women cannot do something because women are inferior by design, not thinking that they are generally weaker (biologically true) and it's probably best if it's the man who carries the heavier luggage

Re:“Let her speak please” by walterstucco on Sunday June 11, 2017 @07:10PM (#14534306)
> "if men are 3x as likely to interrupt women" is literally an example of sexism.

no. because men don't interrupt women 3x as likely but it's sexism to assume they do just because you believe it's true

Re:“Let her speak please” by aaronchall on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @11:11AM (#14507065)
You gotta find the meta study that aggregates the verification studies (and discounts the first due to publication bias.)
Re:“Let her speak please” by MadSax on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @10:35AM (#14506754)
There was a study of the video already?
Re:“Let her speak please” by Kluny on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @09:18AM (#14506136)
There were four men on the stage who weren't talked over.
Re:“Let her speak please” by andrepd on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @09:19AM (#14506142)
Maybe you would care to watch the video more closely. You will find the moderator has the same attitude with every member of the panel.
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Re:“Let her speak please” by dang on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @01:23PM (#14508150)
You've been posting unsubstantive "so what?" dismissals, which is trollish when it comes to a divisive topic. Worse, you've crossed into personal attack. That's a bannable offense on HN, so please don't do it again.
Re:“Let her speak please” by walterstucco on Sunday June 11, 2017 @07:11PM (#14534313)
I'm just saying you are not a man because you are clearly pushing an agenda when you don't want to accept all the evidence that disprove your belief that men are worse than women in conversations

so you're just like my dog, you don't listen, bark and don't care if you're right or not

you just wanna bark for the sake of barking

and threats of ban are laughable

if they ban me, I can create another account

it's not really important what HN commenters thinks of me or what I write

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Re:“Let her speak please” by walterstucco on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @09:18AM (#14506129)
kinda looks like you never talked in public with other people…