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Re:Many Colleges Fail to Improve Critical-Thinking Skills by pvg on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @01:17AM (#14494910)
The latter have been the ostensible focus of primary education for a couple of centuries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_three_Rs

Re:Many Colleges Fail to Improve Critical-Thinking Skills by closure on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @01:43AM (#14495030)
In a sense, yes. What I'm getting at specifically is that:

- Although we teach people to read, we don't necessarily put enough focus on comprehension and understanding.

- Although we teach people to write, we tend to focus on mechanics rather than on writing clearly and in a way that emphasizes our meaning.

- We don't just focus on functional math, but teach much more complex math to virtually everyone that goes through high school.

You can argue where exactly to draw the line on math (and don't get me wrong I loved math and was very good at it, at least the way it is taught in the US), but I'm not sure everyone needs to become as highly specialized as we attempt to make them in that area at that age.

Re:Many Colleges Fail to Improve Critical-Thinking Skills by dragonwriter on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @02:08AM (#14495132)
> Although we teach people to write, we tend to focus on mechanics rather than on writing clearly and in a way that emphasizes our meaning.

That's not really true; the five-paragraph essay form and it's fractal expansions that dominate grade-school writing is all about clarity and focus on meaning.

It's a horrible as a model for anything other than persuasive writing for a number of other reasons, and given the way the target output influences process, it's an impediment to critical thinking compared to alternatives like thesis/antithesis/synthesis (or IRAC, which while pretty much taught exclusively in the context of legal writing is a very good model for general-purpose analytical writing.)

Re:Many Colleges Fail to Improve Critical-Thinking Skills by plinkplonk on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @04:22AM (#14495620)
IRAC = Issue, Rule, Application, Conclusion (I had to look it up)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRAC

now I wish I'd gone to law school!

Re:Many Colleges Fail to Improve Critical-Thinking Skills by pvg on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @05:34AM (#14495918)
That sort of thing can just as well make you wish you'd gone to real estate school.

"A-I-D-A. Attention, interest, decision, action. Attention -- do I have your attention? Interest -- are you interested? I know you are because it's fuck or walk. You close or you hit the bricks! Decision -- have you made your decision for Christ?!! And action."

Re:Many Colleges Fail to Improve Critical-Thinking Skills by plinkplonk on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @07:42AM (#14496470)
Thank You for the condescension! :-P
Re:Many Colleges Fail to Improve Critical-Thinking Skills by belenos46 on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @12:32PM (#14498553)
It's a quote from Glengarry Glen Ross. That is one of Alec Baldwin's lines.
Re:Many Colleges Fail to Improve Critical-Thinking Skills by plinkplonk on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @01:15PM (#14498963)
Ah! It sounded familiar.

OK, my bad! withdrawn (Can't edit any more). Apologies to pvg

Re:Many Colleges Fail to Improve Critical-Thinking Skills by closure on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @02:40AM (#14495237)
YMMV, but only in the last two years of high school do I recall these five-paragraph essays being a substantial part of classes. We certainly did them from time-to-time before that, but we also did a lot of other writing of many different forms, and in the last year or two also did a couple "research papers" (in the classic sense, not in the grad student moving a field forward sense).
Re:Many Colleges Fail to Improve Critical-Thinking Skills by pvg on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @02:17AM (#14495156)
it's fractal expansions

Maybe their not as horrible as your saying! :)

Re:Many Colleges Fail to Improve Critical-Thinking Skills by pvg on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @01:57AM (#14495087)
I don't know, these exact things are what's on the SAT. I don't mean to debate its qualities as a test or whether these are things one should be testing but the notion that they are somehow not the focus of primary and secondary education while also being a key factor in college admissions doesn't quite add up.
Re:Many Colleges Fail to Improve Critical-Thinking Skills by cblock811 on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @02:27AM (#14495191)
I think it's unfortunate that people wont argue their point with you and are only downvoting.

I think a lot more of the SAT is about gaming their system these days. You could argue that making an "educated guess" by eliminating clearly wrong answers is useful maybe...but i dont think it really stacks up to what their hoping for. I dont think eliminating obvious bad choices is critical thinking, or if it is then it's a very low level of it.

Re:Many Colleges Fail to Improve Critical-Thinking Skills by pvg on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @02:38AM (#14495230)
Right, but as I said, I'm not talking about whether the SAT is a good test or not. Just that the fact it explicitly tries to test precisely reading comprehension, basic writing, 'practical' mathematical skills belies the notion these are not goals of primary and secondary education. If they weren't, this wouldn't be a test for US college admissions.
Re:Many Colleges Fail to Improve Critical-Thinking Skills by smileysteve on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @10:31AM (#14497450)
The LSAT is as much about test taking critical thinking as it is about critical thinking for the questions.
Re:Many Colleges Fail to Improve Critical-Thinking Skills by ooqr on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @07:01AM (#14496290)
We don't necessarily need to teach more-advanced math, but rather more proofs.