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Re:What really happened at Volkswagen by matt4077 on Sunday June 04, 2017 @12:31PM (#14482267)
Hello! Just the other day I argued that the EU's new antitrust case against Google isn't economic nationalism, so allow me to even the score :)

VW's conduct both in implementing these cheats, as well as resisting the investigations into them (to this day!) was obviously, morally indefensible, and totally stupid. Health statistics put the most likely number of premature deaths caused by it somewhere in the 4-digits, in the US alone.

The absolute amount of the fine must have punitive component large enough to make it obvious that such crimes don't pay. At the same time, it wold have been unconscientious to level a fine that would bankrupt VW. I believe the US did a pretty good job.

It also shows a deep misunderstanding of the processes by which the Federal Government works. These fines are not determined by some Trump-like egomaniac impulsively acting on his emotions. Nor is the EPA known to be a fan club of US car manufacturers.

Why only VW? It's quite easy: these manipulations are really only relevant to Diesel engines, which for some reason became a fetish for manufacturers in Germany only. VW sells more Diesel cars in the US than all other companies together.

Re:What really happened at Volkswagen by rurban on Monday June 05, 2017 @05:09AM (#14486221)
Whow, so many mistakes.

"VW's conduct both in implementing these cheats": No Bosch implemented these cheats. If there was help or demand from outside, it was Audi, not VW.

"Why only VW? VW sells more Diesel cars in the US than all other companies together."

The fines should be on all manifacturers of the cheaters. From the list of the affected engines I see not a single one being targeted. The relevant VW engines are all manifactured by Audi, the relevant cheats were manifactured by Bosch, the other relevant cheaters involve everyone: Audi, Daimler, BMW, Skoda, Volvo, VW, Jaguar, Land Rover, Citroen, Mazda, Peugeot, Hyundai, KIA, Toyota, Ssangyong, Infinity, Fiat, Ford, Mitshubishi, Seat, Vauxhall, Chevrolet, Dacia, Honda, Nissan, MG, Porsche, Renault, ... you name it. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/23/diesel-cars...

Only those 7 diesel cars meet the Euro 6 NOx limits, the other 97% not.

  * Audi	A5	2014
  * BMW	3 Series	2013
  * Skoda	Superb	2016
  * Volkswagen	Golf SV	2015
  * Volkswagen	Passat	2016
  * Volkswagen	Scirocco 2015
  * Volkswagen	Touran	2016
Note that this mostly consists of VW cars meeting the limits, all others not. A good technical overview is summarized here: http://www.theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/ICCT...