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Re:What really happened at Volkswagen by rurban on Sunday June 04, 2017 @06:44AM (#14480737)
Oh no, another VW hit piece, attacking the biggest US competitor.

It is definitely NOT what really happened with the emissions scandal, as it omits the most important facts, how this cheating scandals began, and how it spread out.

The first emission cheating scandals happened with US carmakers, then the US and EU emission testing laws deviated, allowing the US to cheat with their drivers, giving national carmakers the advantage, whilst EU and Asia committed to reproducible tests. But only on one model out of R&D, and not every single engine coming out of production. And then of course the tricks began to detect the tests, probably at Audi (certainly not VW), with Bosch being the one who needs to take the blame. They implemented it. Then many others detected the same tricks, and either used the sophisticated cycle detection in the Bosch ECU or used simplier timers. In the last list I saw 50% of all tested engines cheated with the NOx emissions, and VW was not even at the top of the numbers.

Re:What really happened at Volkswagen by matt4077 on Sunday June 04, 2017 @12:31PM (#14482267)
Hello! Just the other day I argued that the EU's new antitrust case against Google isn't economic nationalism, so allow me to even the score :)

VW's conduct both in implementing these cheats, as well as resisting the investigations into them (to this day!) was obviously, morally indefensible, and totally stupid. Health statistics put the most likely number of premature deaths caused by it somewhere in the 4-digits, in the US alone.

The absolute amount of the fine must have punitive component large enough to make it obvious that such crimes don't pay. At the same time, it wold have been unconscientious to level a fine that would bankrupt VW. I believe the US did a pretty good job.

It also shows a deep misunderstanding of the processes by which the Federal Government works. These fines are not determined by some Trump-like egomaniac impulsively acting on his emotions. Nor is the EPA known to be a fan club of US car manufacturers.

Why only VW? It's quite easy: these manipulations are really only relevant to Diesel engines, which for some reason became a fetish for manufacturers in Germany only. VW sells more Diesel cars in the US than all other companies together.

Re:What really happened at Volkswagen by rurban on Monday June 05, 2017 @05:09AM (#14486221)
Whow, so many mistakes.

"VW's conduct both in implementing these cheats": No Bosch implemented these cheats. If there was help or demand from outside, it was Audi, not VW.

"Why only VW? VW sells more Diesel cars in the US than all other companies together."

The fines should be on all manifacturers of the cheaters. From the list of the affected engines I see not a single one being targeted. The relevant VW engines are all manifactured by Audi, the relevant cheats were manifactured by Bosch, the other relevant cheaters involve everyone: Audi, Daimler, BMW, Skoda, Volvo, VW, Jaguar, Land Rover, Citroen, Mazda, Peugeot, Hyundai, KIA, Toyota, Ssangyong, Infinity, Fiat, Ford, Mitshubishi, Seat, Vauxhall, Chevrolet, Dacia, Honda, Nissan, MG, Porsche, Renault, ... you name it. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/23/diesel-cars...

Only those 7 diesel cars meet the Euro 6 NOx limits, the other 97% not.

  * Audi	A5	2014
  * BMW	3 Series	2013
  * Skoda	Superb	2016
  * Volkswagen	Golf SV	2015
  * Volkswagen	Passat	2016
  * Volkswagen	Scirocco 2015
  * Volkswagen	Touran	2016
Note that this mostly consists of VW cars meeting the limits, all others not. A good technical overview is summarized here: http://www.theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/ICCT...
Re:What really happened at Volkswagen by golergka on Sunday June 04, 2017 @07:26AM (#14480831)
That's an alternative view I haven't seen before, thanks. Do you have some links for further reading on this?
Re:What really happened at Volkswagen by goldenkey on Sunday June 04, 2017 @07:36AM (#14480861)
Re:What really happened at Volkswagen by jokoon on Sunday June 04, 2017 @07:27AM (#14480836)
Yes, to me it really looks like those kind of things go well beyond VW, it seems it's mostly about national economic interests.