Re:The Argument Against Terraforming Mars (2016)
by Santosh83 on Sunday June 04, 2017 @08:19AM
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There's no rational need to survive as a species. An individual protecting its life is a different matter, but what's the point in struggling so hard to survive as a species? What is it that we hope to achieve in the end?
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Re:The Argument Against Terraforming Mars (2016)
by the8472 on Sunday June 04, 2017 @08:52AM
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Most matter in the universe is dead. So even if we assume that we can't come up with anything interesting and worthy achieving right now we can still transform dead matter into thinking matter that might eventually come up with something.
At worst you would be wasting dead matter on a useless endeavor while ideally you discover more interesting things down the road. Seems like a decent tradeoff.
Re:The Argument Against Terraforming Mars (2016)
by Retra on Sunday June 04, 2017 @11:50AM
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A species includes its individuals. If the species dies, all of the individuals are also dead.
Re:The Argument Against Terraforming Mars (2016)
by hyperpallium on Sunday June 04, 2017 @11:43AM
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We identify as a group - a tribe. In recent millenia, it's worked out well for individuals to identify with even larger groups. Today, it's rational to identify globally, for the benefits of trade, collaborative technological development and peace. There may well be some evolutionary pressure towards this. (Yes, there's reward for defection, but collaboration works even better).
Granted, "global" isn't the same as "species" - but in practice, and forever there is communication between members, they are identical (have the same referent).
Re:The Argument Against Terraforming Mars (2016)
by jpttsn on Sunday June 04, 2017 @12:36PM
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It's pretty circular to give group-level reasons for why individuals should "identify globally."
Re:The Argument Against Terraforming Mars (2016)
by SimbaOnSteroids on Sunday June 04, 2017 @11:31AM
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We're biological life forms, it's literally our prime directive. Besides that though is there a rational reason to do anything? Ultimately the universe doesn't care so why bother?
Re:The Argument Against Terraforming Mars (2016)
by monochromatic on Sunday June 04, 2017 @08:51AM
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If the species dies, all of my potential descendants die. I have genes that have evolved to prevent such an occurrence.
Re:The Argument Against Terraforming Mars (2016)
by Bakary on Sunday June 04, 2017 @11:08AM
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Genes don't evolve according to a purpose, they simply happened to last until the current point in time.
Re:The Argument Against Terraforming Mars (2016)
by jpttsn on Sunday June 04, 2017 @12:39PM
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People have genes for all sorts of things, from over-eating to cheating on their spouse.
Re:The Argument Against Terraforming Mars (2016)
by monochromatic on Sunday June 04, 2017 @03:53PM
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And?
Re:The Argument Against Terraforming Mars (2016)
by jpttsn on Monday June 05, 2017 @08:14AM
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Rational decision-making involves second guessing or even countering your genetic programming.
The "my genes made me do it" argument is no less flawed in a discussion about terraforming than one about what to order at McDonald's.