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Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by crooked-v on Saturday June 03, 2017 @03:50PM (#14478132)
> The Republican National Committee, which is in favor of ringless voice mail, goes as far as to argue that prohibiting direct-to-voice-mail messages may be a violation of free speech.

Absurd. The right to free speech does not include forcing others to listen to you.

Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by majormajor on Saturday June 03, 2017 @04:09PM (#14478236)
Regardless of if it does or not, what's the likely end result? Spam voicemails become the new email, filtered aggressively, and increasingly ignored over time in favor of less-spam-prone methods. They're asking for something pointlessly unsustainable that would be no different from any of the other high-noise/low-signal-ratio channels they already have.
Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by Retric on Saturday June 03, 2017 @05:18PM (#14478551)
More likely IMO, is people just ignore / disable their voicemail in favor of text messages / email / etc in the short term.

Alternatively, carriers simply block voicemail for the first few seconds of a call which kills the perceived loophole. Because frankly this is an obvious feature that people will switch carriers for.

Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by mirimir on Saturday June 03, 2017 @08:45PM (#14479312)
How feasible is antispam for voicemail?

Something like:

in my address book => allow

no id or not in my address book => delete

Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by SpikeDad on Saturday June 03, 2017 @03:56PM (#14478163)
It does when you run it through the right wing filter. And when the FCC is run by the head cheerleader of right wing policies you can bet the filter is going to catch a lot more things.
Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by jerf on Saturday June 03, 2017 @10:46PM (#14479654)
This isn't right wing. This is just crony capitalism. Find the "right winger" of your choice and ask them what they think about this.

Part of the way the cronies keep us in line is to direct our fire at "the other wing", instead of at them. There is approximately nobody in this country going "Hooray, finally our right to be spammed by telemarketers on the phone that I pay for is being respected!"

Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by coolgeek on Sunday June 04, 2017 @05:07PM (#14483504)
I'll put Tom Wheeler (or any Democratic appointee) up against Ajit Pai, Michael Powell (or any other Republican appointee) any day when it comes to which side is more pro consumer and which is more pro big monopoly.

> Part of the way the cronies keep us in line is to direct our fire at "the other wing", instead of at them

And part of the way the right wing justifies its atrocities is to claim that "both sides do it", "both sides are the same" or some similar flat out bullshit.

Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by jerf on Monday June 05, 2017 @09:10AM (#14487316)
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant a right-winger that you know in real life, or can find on the street if that is the empty set, not some politician.

"And part of the way the right wing justifies its atrocities is to claim that "both sides do it", "both sides are the same" or some similar flat out bullshit."

Both sides may not be the same, but both sides do do it... because in a lot of ways, they aren't "both" sides but the same side wearing different masks, at that level. That is, again, that high rarified Federal level, not the people on the streets. You're not "seeing through" their game... you are right where they want you to be. You're even strongly suggesting that you're fine if your side does it as long as you get to yell at the other side and dismiss their claims about what "your side" does. Unsurprisingly, "your side" is suited just fine by your willingness to do this, and they take you up on your offer quite often.

Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by coolgeek on Monday June 05, 2017 @11:25AM (#14488237)
> not some politician

tl;dr No True Scotsman.

> they aren't "both" sides but the same side wearing different masks, at that level

I showed you irrefutable evidence that one side is pro consumer and one pro business. And yet, you still insist that they're the same.

I mean, it was even your example (FCC Chairs), so it's not like I went out cherry picking

Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by pasbesoin on Saturday June 03, 2017 @04:35PM (#14478350)
It also doesn't including using a private commercial service that I am paying for.

The stench of hypocrisy is more than subtle, here.

As always, follow the money.

P.S. Here's what I expect from carriers, if this goes through: A clear, easy to use, and permanent switch to turn this off on my account. (Yes, government emergency situations -- genuine ones -- excepted.)

If this really is a "free market" or something arguably comperable -- their basis for arguing for the elimination of a whole bunch of regulation -- then someone should offer this "off switch" as a feature in response to the obvious demand for it.

If they don't? One more nail in the argument that they do not represent anything like a free market nor real competition.

Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by philovivero on Saturday June 03, 2017 @06:04PM (#14478732)
How many nails do you need in that coffin? I don't even see a coffin anymore. I just see a bunch of nail heads in the shape of a coffin.
Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by oneweekwonder on Saturday June 03, 2017 @03:55PM (#14478158)
The right to free speech does not include forcing others to listen to "it".
Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by BenjiWiebe on Saturday June 03, 2017 @04:07PM (#14478222)
Obligatory xkcd https://xkcd.com/1357/

Also the mouse over text applies very well to this situation as well.

Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by Banthum on Saturday June 03, 2017 @08:53PM (#14479343)
This comic is really pernicious because it frames free speech as just a quirky law that restrains the government.

That's like saying honesty is just about not breaking perjury laws in court.

In reality, free speech and free inquiry are social virtues that, like honesty, should be applied and upheld at every level of society, public and private, commercial, academic, and personal. Because free speech is a key mechanism to reach consensus and keep society functioning.

This is becoming even more and more relevant as our "public squares" of discussion are no longer government-owned physical public squares, but rather online fora owned and controlled by mega-corporations.

It's disturbing enough that Facebook or Google could easily turn an election on their whim, and it would be legal. It's even more disturbing that a whole lot of people are loudly proclaiming that this is fine, totally okay, and ethical, just because they think their views will never be the ones that get silenced.

So yeah, that cartoon is terrible.

Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by s73ver on Sunday June 04, 2017 @03:28AM (#14480286)
Except when we're talking about other entities, they also have their own rights to free speech/free association. It's nice to say that free speech is a social virtue, but would you be willing to hold a Klan rally/BLM rally in your front yard?
Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by Sunset on Sunday June 04, 2017 @01:02AM (#14479971)
You know what happens in the real world? That person exits through the door, finds enough people like him outside and gets into political power, then proceeds to show the door to the smug stickman.
Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by clamprecht on Saturday June 03, 2017 @04:35PM (#14478348)
Anyone who's read one free speech case knows that commercial speech has less protection than, say, political speech.
Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by builtinbuffalo on Saturday June 03, 2017 @04:47PM (#14478401)
This is because the use the technology and it works well.
Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by bobcallme on Saturday June 03, 2017 @04:05PM (#14478214)
They are not forcing you to listen to anything. You can a) delete the message or b) change voicemail systems so this does not work. These problems can be mitigated from a technical perspective.
Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by derimagia on Saturday June 03, 2017 @04:11PM (#14478244)
.. and why does that allow them to spam you? Just because you can avoid it by changing numbers? You could make that same argument for a restraining order -- "Oh you can just move, so why would we legally protect you?". Absurd.
Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by anon182429 on Saturday June 03, 2017 @04:28PM (#14478318)
I think the problems with receiving a voicemail message and requiring a serious legal protection because you could be murdered or physically harmed by a specific person and not even close to the same order of magnitude.
Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by derimagia on Saturday June 03, 2017 @04:34PM (#14478341)
Although I see where you are coming from, restraining orders aren't just for stalking/threats/abuse. It'a also for harassment, which I would definitely say telemarketers do.
Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by BenjiWiebe on Saturday June 03, 2017 @04:08PM (#14478233)
You have to listen to the message to find out if it is something important...
Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by jonknee on Saturday June 03, 2017 @04:18PM (#14478278)
> change voicemail systems so this does not work

But if the GOP made prohibiting direct-to-voice-mail illegal you wouldn't be able to do that...

Re:Ringless voice mails from telemarketers by Sunset on Sunday June 04, 2017 @01:03AM (#14479975)
Not going to happen.