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Re:The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure by pavel_lishin on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @03:48PM (#14455343)
> What prevents you from renting a car when you want to drive out to the countryside?

Nothing, but it is a barrier. When you own a car, you just get in, make sure you've got gas, and go. When you don't, you need to go out and find a rental place, get there, find a car you want/like, etc.

It's a small barrier, and mostly psychological, but it's there and it affects decisions.

Re:The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure by kinkrtyavimoodh on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @06:22PM (#14456398)
There are a bunch of other small inconveniences too.

I own a car but I've considered renting cars for trips multiple times (you don't have to care as much about a rental car, you don't mind if other people are driving it, it's normal to split rental car expenses but weird to split, say, the depreciation on your car) etc. But it's often a hassle.

Most rental car centers in the city do not open before say 9 am (the best I have seen is 8 am) and close by 5-6 pm. After you do all the paper work and blah blah it's typically 9-10 am before you can leave for your trip. This is just not practical for a lot of weekend trips. The other option is to rent it on Friday (which means you pay for a day more), but since they close by 5 pm you need to rent it on Friday morning at 9 am which means you have to now plan it along with your work day.

The other option is to rent from the airport where the centers are generally open 24/7 but charge more and the airport is far so now you have to take that into account.

The other problem is when you rent for a long trip and have to pay per day when you know you'll actually be driving only on a few of those days.

Re:The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure by giobox on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @06:07PM (#14456314)
Yup. I cycle a lot, and when I first moved to USA I tried to live the car rental only lifestyle in the Bay Area. In someways this was easier than I expected:

* Most US car rental price comparison sites let you book a car months in advance to lock in the price, but you don't pay till pick up. There's almost never a penalty for booking and not picking up, so I used to just block book the weekends months in advance, whether I needed the car or not.

* I just used the big rental firms - at the time services like ZipCar were priced to heavily incentivise you to only drive between ZipCar areas and drop off, e.g. use a different car for the outbound journey and the return one. Using them for all-day tripping often ended up being significantly more expensive than a traditional rental. I've no idea if this has improved. Car sharing services appeared to really rely on both your start and end destinations being in their 'coverage' areas though.

* Once I got to know staff at my local rental place, I started getting 'free' upgrades a lot.

However, after four or five months I ended up buying a modest low mileage 3 year old Honda. The cost of running isn't actually all that much more, and now I don't have to factor in travel time to rental place, having to refill the rental before return, clock-watching etc. This is entirely selfish of me of course, but very much caused by the small 'barrier' you mention.

Re:The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure by wutbrodo on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @09:38PM (#14457335)
I've generally optimized for convenience: it's easy for me to ignore the expense when I consider my overall transportation + rent budget (the two aren't really fully extricable).
Re:The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure by CydeWeys on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @06:12PM (#14456343)
It's a pretty serious psychological barrier. When you already own a car, the maintenance and finance costs are already sunk costs, so the marginal cost of doing a weekend trip is quite low -- pretty much just the cost of gas. When you don't own a car, now you have to throw in the cost of the rental too, which can easily make a $20 trip turn into a $120 trip or more (it costs $100 per day to rent a car near me, so an weekend camping trip jumps up to $220). Even if the total cost with the occasional rental is less, the marginal costs are structured in a completely different way, which ends up negatively incentivizing it.

Hell, I live in Manhattan and I now don't do a lot of things I used to do when I lived out in the suburbs and had a car, for precisely this reason. Instead I do a lot more things on my bicycle, including long weekend trips -- it's basically become to me what my car used to be to me when I lived in the suburbs. Except using it actually improves my health.

Re:The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure by wutbrodo on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @09:36PM (#14457327)
Right, this is the mental speedbump I referred to. I just get tired of people pretending that you're precluded from easily driving out away from cities, instead of the much-lesser inconvenience of "having to get used to the minuscule additional mental barrier". In my own personal experience it took me about three trips before this latter issue vanished.

The difference between the magnitude of the two ways of stating this "downside" are vast, and I hear people conflate them constantly.