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Re:The First Time America Freaked Out Over Automation by rhino369 on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @04:52PM (#14448433)
Is there really a lot of AI replacing highly trained professionals? There is a lot of hype around the idea, but I don't see any evidence of it happening in large scale. Using an AI tool will increase efficiency of course, but we've always had new developments that increase efficiency.

People undervalue how radically the word processor and spreadsheet changed how offices are run. But it didn't lead to a mass layoff of office workers.

I bet not even a single doctor has lost his job to AI yet.

Re:The First Time America Freaked Out Over Automation by neutralid on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @06:07PM (#14448943)
With the advent of word processors and spreadsheets, work shifted from secretaries to other already employed office workers.

https://newrepublic.com/article/121712/slow-death-secretary

A similar shift is occurring with paralegals. Combine AI with massive legal data, firms could drastically reduce the hours of legal staff:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/19/technology/lawyers-artifi...

The same could occur for support staff in the medical field, e.g., radiology.

Doctors and lawyers themselves are unlikely to be as affected in the next several decades, except they may be under pressure to take up more clients or including more sophisticated analyses increasing workload. Job requirements will likely require higher and higher levels of education.

Re:The First Time America Freaked Out Over Automation by mistermann on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @12:50AM (#14450480)
I'm under the impression that doctors and lawyers, and their well-funded professional associations, have significant input into legislation regulating their industries, so I suspect they will be far more vulnerable to obsolescence than most other industries.
Re:The First Time America Freaked Out Over Automation by glangdale on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @12:58AM (#14450504)
The naive picture of automation is always to picture a room full of 10 doctors (or lawyers, or burger flippers, or what have you) and imagine that until we can replace all 10 doctors with a machine then nothing is happening.

Instead, what really happens is that someone makes an incremental advance that allows 9 doctors plus a machine (plus, probably, some tiny increment of people servicing the machines) to do the work of 10. All it takes is to find the most routine aspect of some job and automate that away...

You provide the perfect example in your utterly incorrect summary of the effect of office software. This almost entirely wiped out a huge number of secretarial jobs.

Re:The First Time America Freaked Out Over Automation by emmab on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @02:07AM (#14450689)
> Instead, what really happens is that someone makes an incremental advance that allows 9 doctors plus a machine (plus, probably, some tiny increment of people servicing the machines) to do the work of 10. All it takes is to find the most routine aspect of some job and automate that away...

Isn't there a shortage of doctors already? Doesn't seem like the most vulnerable field to incremental automation.

Re:The First Time America Freaked Out Over Automation by chrisco255 on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @02:14AM (#14450708)
Wiping out 10% of the work would probably not have a discernible impact, however, what's another 10-50 years of AI advancement going to achieve? A 20-40% level of automation would be devastating for any industry.
Re:The First Time America Freaked Out Over Automation by lucozade on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @09:14AM (#14452199)
> A 20-40% level of automation would be devastating for any industry.

Devastating to an industry in its current form. Taking medicine as an example, I just don't see any reason to expect that, if you automated away 50%+ of the current job, you'd require less, highly trained, medical staff.

Sure they'd be doing quite different jobs, for the most part. Sure some of the current crop won't want those new jobs. But everything I've seen wrt automation encroaching on highly skilled employment would suggest that there's little to no reduction in employment. Quite the opposite.

I tend to look at it a different way. What is the likely limit on the need for medical expertise ad how far away are we from that limit? I would suggest that we're currently a very long way from capacity for medical expertise and you could automate away a significant portion of the current roles without substantially affecting numbers.

I could, of course, be wrong. And, of course, one can extrapolate to a point where AI has perfect knowledge of all human anatomy, natural and enhanced, as well as having innovation and design skills well in advance of humanity. But we're an awful long way away from that.

Re:The First Time America Freaked Out Over Automation by FullMtlAlcoholc on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @05:38AM (#14451305)
AI's are already underwriting insurance. It will have the the most immediate impact on the fields of Finance, insurance, and medical diagnostics.
Re:The First Time America Freaked Out Over Automation by Havoc on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @06:04PM (#14448915)
>Is there really a lot of AI replacing highly trained professionals? There is a lot of hype around the idea, but I don't see any evidence of it happening in large scale.

Near zero I'd imagine. That's beside the point though. The fact that it's possible is what matters. The actual roll-out of it is just a matter of time.

Re:The First Time America Freaked Out Over Automation by ThomPete on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @05:35PM (#14448739)
It's not happening yet because it takes time to mature but it will happen and the more it happen the faster it will go.

Under Bush and Obama almost all the jobs created were temp jobs, they even had to expand the definition of what constitutes a job.

Re:The First Time America Freaked Out Over Automation by jml7c5 on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @10:13PM (#14450022)
>they even had to expand the definition of what constitutes a job.

Can you cite a source for this? The Bureau of Labor Statistics etc. has been using the same U1-U6 unemployment metrics for decades.

Re:The First Time America Freaked Out Over Automation by ThomPete on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @06:36AM (#14451481)
Yeah but which one they focus on matters. They focused on U3 rather than U6.

I will see if I can find a more official source than this:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/10/donald-lambr...

Re:The First Time America Freaked Out Over Automation by jml7c5 on Thursday June 01, 2017 @02:35PM (#14463101)
That's a (valid) critique of using U3 instead of U6. But the US government has been using U3 as the "official" unemployment since at least 1994.

You asserted that "they [the Obama and Bush administrations?] even had to expand the definition of what constitutes a job," which is not supported by that article.

I have had this debate before, and I have yet to find any evidence for the claim.

Re:The First Time America Freaked Out Over Automation by ThomPete on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:07PM (#14466262)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/10/donald-lambr...

They changed the U3 focus under Bush I will see if I can find the article about it I read way back.