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Re:Trickle-down workaholism in startups by maerF0x0 on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @12:44PM (#14446574)
The thing I dont understand is the exceptionalism and lack of understanding research. You'd think that an investor would want to choose the path that increases their odds of success.

To me this looks like:

1. Sleeping hours seems to be genetic, telling an 8 hour sleeper to just sleep 6 is going to undermine chances

2. People's productivity seems to drop after about 40 hours per week, especially if sustained long term. Outliers exist, but coercing a non-outlier to try and act like one leads to a reduction in total productivity, not an increase.

3. If investors really want people who are outliers they should find a way to test/verify they're working with outliers. Burning out the leader of a company they've invested in is counterproductive, it will just lead to the loss of their investment. Once the company is funded the investor should do what they can to make that specific person do their optimal path, which may include sleeping 12 hours a night.

Re:Trickle-down workaholism in startups by azernik on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @11:18PM (#14450200)
Because people (investors included) are not rational individuals, and tend to warp the information they are exposed to in order to fit their preconceived notions and values.

They valorize the overworking founder with no personal life, and have grown up with not-so-accurate tales of the Big Names who were like that. And so you get quite sincerely held but incorrect beliefs that are shockingly resistant to evidence.

Welcome to the human species.

Re:Trickle-down workaholism in startups by maerF0x0 on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @01:30PM (#14454332)
The thing is that some of those "Big Names" tales could be completely true, if they're outliers. Sadly the desire/willingness to work extremely hard doesnt turn one into an outlier.
Re:Trickle-down workaholism in startups by coldtea on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @01:12PM (#14446788)
>You'd think that an investor would want to choose the path that increases their odds of success.

Only short term -- they don't care for either burnout or quality. The want some shit produced fast they can use to exit.

Re:Trickle-down workaholism in startups by mattmanser on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @01:19PM (#14446838)
I thought the productivity drop happens after 6 weeks or so, you don't exit after 6 weeks!
Re:Trickle-down workaholism in startups by watwut on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @01:27PM (#14446898)
If you sleep only 6 hours or less, productivity drop is sooner unless you do something easy and repetitive - sleep deprivation kicks sooner then overwork.
Re:Trickle-down workaholism in startups by jcranberry on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @08:52PM (#14449770)
Aren't entrepreneurs already a class of outliers? I'd be interested to see if there's any research on productivity and how it's related to self-reported relationship with ones work or product and occupation.

Probably the most proximate and salient example for me is mathematicians. A lot of them seem to have an almost monkish devotion to math, and breaking their brain day in and day out with little reprieve doesn't seem to bother them at all.

Although entrepreneurs are probably not nearly so eclectic, I don't think it's strange to think they might be somewhat exceptional in this regard.