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Re:Facebook employs hundreds of young Filipinos to remove of... by gravypod on Sunday May 28, 2017 @12:00AM (#14433033)
I was about to throw away this napkin. Glad I hung on to it for a little longer. When I see things like this, I often ask myself "Why would people take this job?" and some times I find it's because it pays very well from the perspective of the local economy.

    1. £1.36 = 86.68 Philippine Peso (according to Google)
    2. average annual family income ... 267 thousand pesos [0]
    3. 267000 / 2 = ~133500 yearly person income
    4. There are about 2,087 work hours in a year [1]
    5. yearly/hours 133500/2087 = ~64 Philippine Peso

    * Average Guesstimated Salary: 64 Philippine Peso/hour
    * Facebook Censurer Take Home: 87 Philippine Peso/hour
That's about 30% more then the average take home.

Let me crunch the numbers again for the top 10% earners [0] bracket.

    1. (786000/2)/2087 = 188 Philippine Peso/hour
That means a person in a top 10% earners household is only making about (188/87) 2.16 times what you make.

According to Investopedia the "average household income for the top 10% of earners is higher, at $295,845". which means that running the same numbers...

    1. (295845/2)/2087 = 70
    2. 70 / 2.16       = $32 USD/HR
Since they are earning 2.16 times less then the top 10% bracket I'd guess that taking (top 10% hourly wage / 2.16) would give you a localized approximation for your economy. Doing this job is the local equivalent of ~$32 USD/HR in USA money for reading Facebook posts and deciding if it is terrorism or not.

I know I've definitely gotten some stuff wrong here. Please correct me if you know better.

[0] - https://psa.gov.ph/content/average-family-income-2015-estima...

[1] - https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/pay-admi...

[2] - http://www.investopedia.com/news/how-much-income-puts-you-to...

Re:Facebook employs hundreds of young Filipinos to remove of... by kartan on Sunday May 28, 2017 @01:03AM (#14433147)
> average annual family income

If you get 10% over the "average annual family income" of a USA family, but you live in San Francisco Area, you are screwed.

I understand your point, but "Doing this job is the local equivalent of ~$32 USD/HR in USA money for reading Facebook posts and deciding if it is terrorism or not." it's a big jump into conclusions without having more information. With 300,000 km2 and 100 million citizens probably requires more analysis. So maybe is a good job, it doesn't look like a bad one. Bud the "equivalence" is not as easy to get to.

Re:Facebook employs hundreds of young Filipinos to remove of... by pvg on Sunday May 28, 2017 @12:27AM (#14433092)
'average' and 'what factor off 10% of US earners' contain some assumptions about distributions that make this a less informative comparison than it might seem. You probably also want 'censor'.
Re:Facebook employs hundreds of young Filipinos to remove of... by gravypod on Sunday May 28, 2017 @12:34AM (#14433105)
> contain some assumptions about distributions that make this a less informative comparison

I feel the same about this information. If anyone has plots they can through up I'd love to take a look.

> You probably also want 'censor'.

You are correct. I'll leave that unchanged because it doesn't effect the meaning of the post.

Re:Facebook employs hundreds of young Filipinos to remove of... by pvg on Sunday May 28, 2017 @12:55AM (#14433135)
Economists have various ways of comparing purchasing power, where a particular income fits in a given distribution, etc, etc. It's probably more sensible to dig up one of their metrics - the chances you're going to come up with a good one on a napkin seem low.
Re:Facebook employs hundreds of young Filipinos to remove of... by nesu on Sunday May 28, 2017 @04:26AM (#14433537)
30% more than average take home, in a country where about a quarter of the population are below the poverty line.
Re:Facebook employs hundreds of young Filipinos to remove of... by developer2 on Sunday May 28, 2017 @12:20AM (#14433073)
I don't think anyone is disputing the "benefit" to the worker, from their perspective. The outrage is that corporations take advantage. They refuse to employ US employees because they would have to pay reasonable wages, provide healthcare, offer stock options, etc. So they outsource to skirt millions on all of the above.

I'm really sick and tired of "but they're happy to have the abysmally low-paying job, because in their currency it's above-average!". Companies like Facebook aren't outsourcing to "give jobs to the needy"; they only do it because it's disgustingly cheap for them. The destitute, desperately grasping at the crumbs dropped on the floor by the rich, is not a positive thing. It's depressing.

What's next? Do we defend companies who hold immigrants' passports hostage, enslaving people indefinitely with no way out? After all, they pay X% above average! Those workers should be thankful just to have a job! Who cares that they'll never see their family again, and likely die while living in squalor?

Re:Facebook employs hundreds of young Filipinos to remove of... by vitaminbandit on Sunday May 28, 2017 @01:46AM (#14433239)
Who are they taking advantage of? The workers who make more than they would otherwise?

Or are they taking advantage of the Americans that they don't employ?

Re:Facebook employs hundreds of young Filipinos to remove of... by gravypod on Sunday May 28, 2017 @12:32AM (#14433099)
I agree with you. I don't think it's right but we're in a shitty situation now. You have the following choices:

    1. Choose to fire the now reasonably well off employees forcing them to go back to a previous lines of employment that were less lucrative
    2. Force companies to stop outsourcing labor which will in turn make it more likely for other countries to create similar sanctions like this against you.
    3. Make companies pay foreign employees a "reasonable" rate based on local offering thereby making these jobs infinitely more lucrative then even well-educated professions and ultimately tilting their economy in an unwanted direction.
We live in times where economic action is also foreign policy. How would you like it if a country richer then yours started offering jobs for 100x the average wage that you are used to? Would you try and get one of those jobs? Would people start expecting that wage in other places? Would this change the way the market behaves?

> The destitute, desperately grasping at the crumbs dropped on the floor by the rich, is not a positive thing

I wouldn't call the Philippines destitute. I know a few people who'd be offended by that characterization. I'd also ask: why are these people doing these jobs if it's not better then what they were doing before? Better either being higher pay, easier labor, or more enjoyable work environment.

Re:Facebook employs hundreds of young Filipinos to remove of... by developer2 on Sunday May 28, 2017 @12:46AM (#14433123)
>> why are these people doing these jobs

The only question is "why are rich American companies outsourcing to the poor?". There's no reason why they have to. They can entirely afford paying full market wage in the US. If it's acceptable to outsource, then it should be legal to hire within the US for the same salary. Let Americans make $2/hour if that is the acceptable rate.

Re:Facebook employs hundreds of young Filipinos to remove of... by winstonewert on Sunday May 28, 2017 @01:33AM (#14433212)
Why do you think Americans should get these jobs over Fillipinos?
Re:Facebook employs hundreds of young Filipinos to remove of... by mistermann on Sunday May 28, 2017 @01:48AM (#14433243)
One "reason" would be that FB derives the most income from the US, especially compared to the US. They certainly benefit from the US education system, which at least in part benefits from the infrastructure and social environment in the US that was created and paid for over a long period of time by essentially all Americans.

In the past, you wouldn't even have to ask this question, you would employ Americans as a matter of principle, as a matter of pride, to give back and reinforce this shared infrastructure and society for the benefit of future generations.

But then, none of this really matters in the new and improved globalist every man for himself world. (While the executives preach the virtues of socialist values.)

Re:Facebook employs hundreds of young Filipinos to remove of... by mistermann on Sunday May 28, 2017 @11:22AM (#14434709)
"especially compared to the the Philippines"
Re:Facebook employs hundreds of young Filipinos to remove of... by gravypod on Sunday May 28, 2017 @12:50AM (#14433127)
>If it's acceptable to outsource, then it should be legal to hire within the US for the same salary.

That's not how economies work.

> Let Americans make $2/hour if that is the acceptable rate.

I see no reason what that should be disallowed in my moral structure​. If you don't think that's a reasonable​ wage don't take that job. You won't see any takers.

Re:Facebook employs hundreds of young Filipinos to remove of... by threeseed on Sunday May 28, 2017 @12:34AM (#14433104)
I think your anger is misguided and ignorant.

(a) They do receive reasonable wages. Better than the average in fact as the parent articulated. If you paid them US wages you would be completely distorting the local economy as suddenly you've created a community of millionaires. Do you really want medical/law students etc dropping out to become Facebook moderators because the money is so much better ?

(b) There is universal health care in Phillipines. Companies paying for health care is a US concept that doesn't apply in many other countries.

(c) They are employees of Accenture not Facebook. And not sure where you get the idea that all employees get stock options. That's something that again is a foreign concept in most places in the world.