I never really understood the Google worship. "Don't be evil" was an ingenious PR move which earned them an army of useful idiots willing to defend their every move, but never actually applied internally as far as I could tell. I think the reality was "see how much evil we can get society acclimated to".

As for Facebook, I think anyone who ever had a positive opinion of them should be evaluated by a psychiatrist.

Google is [was?] a geek company. You could get a good pay by being really good at coding. Most companies out there, the only way to get a high compensation is to play Games of Thrones on the management ladder. Actually doing any work is shunned upon.

From my experiences with friends who worked or work at Google, you could fit in just as well by being a mediocre programmer or graphic designer who really enjoyed kool-aid.

The terms "Googley" and "Googler" quickly became the equivalent of nails on a chalkboard to me thanks to these people.

> Actually doing any work is shunned upon.

You clearly don't understand what a manager does if you believe what they do isn't work.

There are indeed many definitions of work. I'm using "something produced or accomplished by effort, exertion, or exercise of skill", https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/work.

But then again, managers are very skilled at power games, and the ultimate sign of power is taking credit for what your subordinates produced.

You're working for a bad manager. I appreciate the management at my company. They keep the lights on and take care of all the stuff I would never want to do and I can concentrate on development.

I know this is gonna be an unpopular opinion:

IMO both of them are already on a plateau. Google keeps abandoning products, Facebook keeps buying promising startups and quietly shuts them down (Google does it too). In Google this mostly happens due to some weird geekdom culture / peer pressure thing (coding hipster-ism?), and in Facebook it's more like "we want to conquer the world".

Both companies' strategies are not sustainable. The world is already catching up and I suspect that now it's time for suing the hell out of everybody who isn't sharing their vision while being even slightly competitive to them (opinion, not a fact, no evidence for that, don't kill me).

One only needs to follow recent HN for news about decentralization efforts and slightly increased amount of articles about self-hosting to understand that a good part of the tech world is getting fed up with Google and Facebook.

Google code can't age gracefully. They constantly replace key infrastructure in their monorepo, so either a project is important enough for engineers to keep it on the upgrade treadmill, or it needs to be shut down before it abruptly fails.

For internal projects that's absolutely the right approach. However, once you go around the net and see how people are laughing at Google for their "bazillion chat apps", then you understand that they use the same approach for their public projects, and that's just being inefficient on their part. And damages their brand and name.

Same, their recruiters email me every couple of months... Yeah no thanks. Id sooner work for MSFT these days. How the times has changed.

> I would not work for Facebook and Google even if I was offered a million dollars.

I would. Where do I sign up?