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Re:DevOps is a culture, not a role by mikekchar on Thursday May 25, 2017 @07:14AM (#14416573)
As a relatively old guy, I always thought that DevOps was just the new name for what people have always been doing. It is literally just now that I've realised that other people think it is different :-) Possibly younger people don't understand what system administrators used to do...
Re:DevOps is a culture, not a role by richardjennings on Thursday May 25, 2017 @09:09AM (#14417039)
"Possibly younger people don't understand what system administrators used to do..."

System Administrators used to blame developers. Developers used to blame System Administrators. Devops is in part an attempt to mediate between "silos".

Re:DevOps is a culture, not a role by cat199 on Thursday May 25, 2017 @10:48AM (#14417636)
Bad System Administrators used to blame developers. Bad Developers used to blame System Administrators. Real Systems Administrators attempt to mediate between "silos".

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Re:DevOps is a culture, not a role by cestith on Thursday May 25, 2017 @01:07PM (#14418570)
Therefore we need a new title to distinguish "Real System Administrators" from server technicians. So, we get "devops" for people who understand both.
Re:DevOps is a culture, not a role by user15672 on Thursday May 25, 2017 @01:52PM (#14418873)
Except in reality we get people who are bad at dev and bad at ops pretending they can do both
Re:DevOps is a culture, not a role by cestith on Thursday May 25, 2017 @02:11PM (#14419004)
You get people who aren't very good in every kind of role in every kind of organization. Sturgeon's Law applies to everything, even people. If you have more than 10% of your team doing really well you're ahead of the game.
Re:DevOps is a culture, not a role by jimwalsh on Thursday May 25, 2017 @12:04PM (#14418145)
DevOps role is different because it assumes full product ownership. Typical system administrators are focused on just the infrastructure portions. In a DevOps role you are more focused on the things running on that infra, as well as the infra. It's a more encompassing role than the traditional 'sysadmin' role.
Re:DevOps is a culture, not a role by Stranger43 on Thursday May 25, 2017 @02:26PM (#14419097)
In the olden days before it became fashionable to outsource everything to "specialist" the sysadmin team often had full product ownership.