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Re:At Google, an Employee-Run Email List Tracks Harassment a... by watwut on Thursday May 25, 2017 @01:06AM (#14415388)
I did not meant "humiliate" nor "would you be ok if she responded in playful nuanced way". I meant if she humiliated you back, really. After all, pleasant joking "humiliation" would not make you stop.

I meant would you be ok if she really humiliated you. As you said, offense is semantic. Pushing back won't be comfortable to you. If she did that, would the teasing stop or would the group take your side and retaliated?

Re:At Google, an Employee-Run Email List Tracks Harassment a... by Chris2048 on Thursday May 25, 2017 @06:47AM (#14416479)
Again, in the same way, Sure. "humiliated you back" implies it's humiliating in the first place, so I have no idea what standard you are applying.

> If she did that, would the teasing stop or would the group take your side and retaliated?

false choice. I don't know what you mean retaliate, anymore than I know what you mean "really humiliated". Maybe I'm thick skinned, but what do you imagine a coworker could say?

Re:At Google, an Employee-Run Email List Tracks Harassment a... by watwut on Thursday May 25, 2017 @07:08AM (#14416546)
> "humiliated you back" implies it's humiliating in the first place, so I have no idea what standard you are applying.

I would find the princess salad comment hostile, unless there is context to mitigate that (we are good friends and in mutually teasing relationship).

Meaning, I would see that as one of those situations when I need to respond more aggressively next time otherwise I risk to be picked on regularly. Not sure if "humiliating" is the right word, but princess is not the image I want to maintain in front of colleges or anyone. Someone not to be picked on is much more practical image.

"I don't know what you mean retaliate, anymore than I know what you mean "really humiliated".

I am less likely to come with the answer right away, but I would attempt to figure out answer ready for next time you pick on me. Most likely, I would just tell "go fuck off" or something else rude with the tone of voice that is as deep and unfriendly as can be. Other then that, I am not sure, I don't know you nor the whole situation, so it is hard to come up with something.

Not a path for someone who considers it important to look like polite person all the time, but you gotta give up something. I think that this is where many women make mistake - they see aggressive response as something wrong and end up being constantly picked on.

"Maybe I'm thick skinned, but what do you imagine a coworker could say?"

That is part of the thing, right? You don't stick up with anything like that, you are mainstream and know that you are accepted by colleges. That gives you advantage in this bullshit.

But mostly, I prefer more formal workplaces that are above this elementary school stuff.

Re:At Google, an Employee-Run Email List Tracks Harassment a... by Chris2048 on Sunday May 28, 2017 @01:09PM (#14435211)
> That is part of the thing, right? You don't stick up with anything like that, you are mainstream and know that you are accepted by colleges

You make a lot of assumptions..