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Re:China Can’t Sustain Its Debt-Fueled Binge, Moody’s Says by HillaryBriss on Wednesday May 24, 2017 @11:50PM (#14415194)
This is from the NYTimes article itself: ... the biggest category of debt in China is corporate debt, which equals almost 170 percent of annual economic output. This debt consists overwhelmingly of loans by state-owned banks to state-owned enterprises.

So ... does that answer the question? I'm not sure. I'm used to thinking about how much money the US government owes to outsiders.

But, this "state owned enterprise" and "state owned bank" thing -- how do you make sense of that? The government, which also controls and creates the currency, has loaned its own enterprises a bunch of money. So what if they default? Does it matter?

How do you even think about that?

Re:China Can’t Sustain Its Debt-Fueled Binge, Moody’s Says by legolas2412 on Thursday May 25, 2017 @02:29PM (#14419113)
Except it isn't really a government giving money to itself, it's the banks.

When and if the enterprises default, the banks will go under. This means that Chinese people will lose money (or the government will try to be fiscally prudent to recover money lost in bad investments, which will mean that Chinese people will lose money).

Money owed by a government owned bank to a government owned enterprise is a real debt, which if defaulted upon will have a lot of real effects.

Re:China Can’t Sustain Its Debt-Fueled Binge, Moody’s Says by state_less on Thursday May 25, 2017 @01:18PM (#14418646)
Here is a toy scenario, suppose we have 1000 people and they are capable and willing to build a new solar electric system. The problem is, nobody has any money. The 1000 people could form an institution, let's call it a bank, that would hand out IOUs to anyone who wants to build and install the solar panels. Some of the 1000 people agree and start building out the electric system. Once the system is in place, people start paying the organization for electricity and then all the IOU holders can get payed for their work.

The payments to the organization might come in the form of goats, chickens, timber, or even IOUs!

If the organization had used the debt to make a bunker instead of an electric system. The citizens may not be so interested in hanging out and using (paying) for the bunker, so all the IOU holders would be out of luck.

In other words, if the IOUs to the contractors aren't eventually repaid. People won't accept IOUs from the organization (bank) anymore.