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Re:Who Owns England? by kobeya on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @06:59PM (#14406154)
Wait, what is a property tax if it is not those things?
Re:Who Owns England? by Spooky23 on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @07:15PM (#14406278)
In the US, the tax is attached to the property. In England, its attached to the occupant. The 15th Duke of Whatever with vacant land doesn't pay anything.

It has advantages and disadvantages. In my city, abandoned property often gets saddled with old tax liens and cannot be given away.

Re:Who Owns England? by Mao_Zedang on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @07:23PM (#14406329)
`It has advantages and disadvantages. In my city, abandoned property often gets saddled with old tax liens and cannot be given away. `

Surely this means the land has a negative value, and should get a positive tax, seems silly to have liens that are > than the value of the property.

Re:Who Owns England? by blackguardx on Wednesday May 24, 2017 @12:17AM (#14407581)
In Colorado, property with tax liens is seized and auctioned to the highest bidder after a certain period of time.

What state/country do you live in?

Re:Who Owns England? by ErrantX on Wednesday May 24, 2017 @01:34AM (#14407805)
If the vacant land has a property on it then he sure does; the owner is liable for a portion of the tax on unoccupied buildings.
Re:Who Owns England? by falsedan on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @07:10PM (#14406240)
A yearly levy, based on a fair market valuation of the property (+ improvements), paid for by the landholder.

To put it another way, a property tax would be paid by the freeholder, not the leaseholder. This wouldn't make much of a difference for renters (as the owner would simply pass the cost on), but for owners of leasehold property it would be a stunning boon (and for freeholders who have sold the lease a disaster).

Re:Who Owns England? by kobeya on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @11:27PM (#14407398)
The fact that this county tax is paid by the leaseholder not the property owner is what was missing from the context. (And it boggles my mind why this is the case.)
Re:Who Owns England? by pjc50 on Wednesday May 24, 2017 @06:37AM (#14408958)
England is run by landowners who are really hostile to the idea of property tax. The last big attempt at reforming the ancient "council rates" system in the 90s converted it to a per-person "Poll Tax". This was incredibly unpopular, widely boycotted, and resulted in riots. The system was dialled back to a system based on the value of the property in 1991, paid by the occupiers, with exemptions for students and empty properties, and a 25% discount for people living alone (mostly pensioners).
Re:Who Owns England? by DanBC on Wednesday May 24, 2017 @06:41AM (#14408972)
> with exemptions for [...] empty properties

https://www.gov.uk/council-tax/second-homes-and-empty-proper...

Empty properties are not always exempted. It's up to the council. Sometimes they are, sometimes there's a discount, sometimes there's no discount, sometimes people have to pay extra for empty properties.

Re:Who Owns England? by pjc50 on Wednesday May 24, 2017 @05:22AM (#14408669)
Applying it to freeholders of very-long-lease property would be a fiasco for all those "99 year lease" properties that behave almost, but not quite, like freehold.
Re:Who Owns England? by caf on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @10:06PM (#14407105)
The owner's ability to pass the cost on depends on the conditions of supply and demand in the market, as always.