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Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by the_cat_kittles on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @12:58PM (#14402901)
to me, the fact that david plouffe is working with zuckerberg removes an doubt (if there was any to begin with) that mark is going to run for president. he will be close to macron's age in 2020, though still younger. shares are trading at 25 cents on the dollar in a market predicting his presidential run: https://www.predictit.org/Contract/5534/Will-Facebook's-Mark...

just sitting here thinking about him, im kinda torn. my first thought is that he is too young, and has too narrow a breadth of experience. it will be interesting to see how macron fares in france, maybe useful as a point of comparison. zuckerberg is utterly uncharismatic, which i think is a plus- it helps refocus things on issues and ideas and not personality. he is also competent, and not a criminal, or criminally intentioned as far as i can tell. i havent paid very close attention to him though, does it seem like he gives alot of thought to morality and justice? and, of course, it also seems very dangerous to give someone the presidency who controls so much of the media.

i will say that the prospect of having a president with an intimate understanding of software dev would be great for modernizing lots of the agencies, which would really help i think.

what do you guys think? i hadn't really thought about it too hard till now, but its obviously going to happen, so better to opine before the spin machines get going.

edit: the replies here are totally kneejerk and thoughtless. it reminds me of how people seem react to anything new. i dont really give a shit about the guy but given that its a real possibility, its worth talking about, unless you think our current political state is good and we dont need to do anything.

Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by fil_a_del_fee_a on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @01:58PM (#14403504)
You make it seem like a Zuckerberg presidency will be anything different from a token Democrat/Republican/Celebrity candidate. They all follow the same rules of increasing military spending and increasing the gap between rich and poor. Zuck will campaign on xyz, and < 100 days later, maintain the status quo.
Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by the_cat_kittles on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @02:22PM (#14403766)
what a dumb thing to say. look at history- some presidents have been bad, and some good. you are saying they are all the same. wrong.
Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by fil_a_del_fee_a on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @03:45PM (#14404569)
I would say since JFK, they all have pledged allegiance to the Military Industrial Complex. Even with Trump, I had some faith based on his mentions of real issues like heroin abuse, but something changed him.. Made him fall in line.
Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by timoth3y on Wednesday May 24, 2017 @04:18AM (#14408349)
Except perhaps Carter. He canceled the B-1 bomber. returned the Panama canal. He campaigned against what he called "The Imperial Presidency".

Of course, he was reviled for doing so.

Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by metaphorm on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @02:26PM (#14403808)
they're not all the same but s/he is correct to note that every president capitulates to the demands of the military-industrial complex and the finance-capitalist agenda.
Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by the_cat_kittles on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @02:32PM (#14403879)
i dont have illusions about political reality. but that doesn't mean that the choices we make dont matter.
Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by maxerickson on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @01:14PM (#14403048)
A lack of charisma might be desirable in an elected official but it is a huge problem for a candidate.

I also wonder why you think that a President understanding software would be especially important in reforming an agency; the actual day to day of implementing reform via software seems pretty delegable.

Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by the_cat_kittles on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @02:24PM (#14403789)
yea i agree about candidate. but maybe after this last cycle people's thoughts have started to change.

a president understanding software would make things like the botched heathcare.gov rollout less likely, and would help set the agenda for which things to work on. it also means that when you delegate, you are better able to decide who to delegate to. there are so many shitty contracting companies that you wouldn't know to avoid unless you understood the industry i think.

Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by r00fus on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @01:16PM (#14403056)
The thought terrifies me.
Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by bicubic on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @01:14PM (#14403046)
At this point we need some kind of corporate blacklist of people like zuckerberg, page, and musk. And bar them from ever running for political office.
Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by anigbrowl on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @01:17PM (#14403060)
That's ridiculous. He'd be more accountable in office than he is as CEO of the world's largest country. I mean, be skeptical of it by all means but banning people from running is just foolish.
Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by bicubic on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @01:27PM (#14403154)
He has a tool to gauge and manipulate public perception, like the current generation of political elite can only dream of.

He can push any agenda he wants and have it delivered in just the right way to get the public to agree. You want a dude with that power to also be given executive control of the country?

Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by anigbrowl on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @03:45PM (#14404578)
It's unlikely that he'll be able to have political control and still retain control of FB. Possible, of course, but given the current administration's deliberate attempts to wreck ethical norms I suspect that over the next decade we'll either see a transition to a different form of governance or a much firmer and stricter codification of the distinction between public and private life.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-attempts-to-block-of...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/10/eric-trump-nepoti...

Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by the_cat_kittles on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @02:29PM (#14403827)
this is a legitimate threat and its one of my biggest misgivings with him. and i dont think its realistic to think that any kind of blind trust / divestment / change in ownership would sufficiently address it. its actually almost disqualifying to me. he doesn't strike me as someone who would use it nefariously, but its stupid not to protect against that.
Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by abraves10001 on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @01:38PM (#14403269)
No, but banning him isn't the correct answer, either.
Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by metaphorm on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @01:56PM (#14403483)
what is the correct answer? I think it's self-evident that Facebook has become a kind of mass propaganda tool the likes of which the world has never seen before. Do you think a constitutional republic can survive as a republic if we allow the owners of a media platform that powerful to enter politics?
Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by the_cat_kittles on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @02:26PM (#14403806)
do i think tech scions and the like make the best presidents? no. but what you are proposing is neither possible to implement, nor defensible. im sure you have some thoughts on why you dont want those people running for office, why not share those.
Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by graphememes on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @05:03PM (#14405329)
Not OP, but if anything what I would like is to prevent those with corporations or large companies from being in office or limited power / huge oversight to prevent bias/favor towards propelling themselves (their company / corp) further than their competition instead of focusing on our society and selves as a whole.
Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by zepto on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @02:50PM (#14404047)
Why? How can it be worse than Trump, or a career politician? I don't see how Zuck has any worse flaws than they do, but he might be in a better position to actually understand the electorate and the modern world.
Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by maxerickson on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @03:17PM (#14404292)
Imagine if Trump were competent (but still disinterested in people and mostly focused on self aggrandizement and accumulation of wealth and power).
Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by zepto on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @03:46PM (#14404587)
So you think Zuck is nothing more than a competent version of trump?

If so, I can see why you wouldn't want him as president.

Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by maxerickson on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @03:49PM (#14404626)
Not Zuckerburg specifically, I was answering How can it be worse than Trump, or a career politician? as a general question. What could be worse than Trump? A competent version.

I think Zuckerburg probably has a lot more decency than Trump. Even so, I'm not worried about Zuckerburg as a political candidate, it'll take him succeeding at it for me to believe it is possible.

Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by the_cat_kittles on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @05:27PM (#14405516)
how can you be so sure after what just happened in 2016? that was the "showing anyone can win" event su generis. trump winning makes zuckerberg winning infinitely more realistic to me.
Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by maxerickson on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @06:17PM (#14405871)
Trump has absolutely huge name recognition and is quite charismatic.

Zuckerburg is not really that well known and as you say, not very charismatic.

I certainly agree that dark horse candidates can come out of nowhere, I just don't think that Zuckerburg is one of them.

Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by the_cat_kittles on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @07:12PM (#14406254)
pretty sure a year ago you wouldn't have given trump much of a chance. i feel more qualified to say that than average because i've followed political futures markets for about 10 years, and watched as people consistently do what i suspect you are doing. when you follow / invest in the markets you are forced to translate your vague guesses into real records of your estimated probability at the time. it keeps you much more honest. you'll find its harder to mistakenly see unpredictable events as obvious after they happen, since you were trying to predict them before they happened.

also, its occasionally a valuable reference when talking politics, for instance: comey was fired and lots of people tried to say this was normal and expected, but there was a market that had being fbi director on 6/30 at 95%. pretty much throws cold water on that theory. not that it was anything other than an obvious deflection to begin with, but still kind of interesting.

i encourage you to follow the political futures markets, its a worthwhile endeavor. predictit.com is the standard now that intrade died. my apologies if you are actually speaking from some greater experience though.

Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by maxerickson on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @07:31PM (#14406382)
watched as people consistently do what i suspect you are doing.

What is it you think I'm doing?

I didn't really think Trump would get the R nomination, that's true. I don't see how that informs the comparison to Zuckerburg.

Re:Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Cr... by ionised on Wednesday May 24, 2017 @09:48AM (#14409952)
> does it seem like he gives alot of thought to morality and justice?

No, not from what I can see.