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Re:Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence by arethuza on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @04:14AM (#14399705)
That sounds like it could be used to argue for environment or genetics!
Re:Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence by circlefavshape on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @04:46AM (#14399817)
Exactly. Families share more than genetics.

I once heard a radio spot where a woman spoke about herself and her sister's illustrious pole-vaulting career. She scoffed at the idea that she had taken up pole-vaulting because her older sister did it, and said "obviously" they both had pole-vaulting genes

Re:Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence by truthaway12345 on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @12:29PM (#14402615)
I wasn't aware anyone doubted that there are genes that convey athletic abilities
Re:Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence by psyc on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @08:08AM (#14400516)
What aspect of the environment was shared across 3 generations of uncles and cousins, geographically separated, many of whom didn't even know each other?
Re:Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence by cmiles74 on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @09:24AM (#14400941)
I bet there are many that we take for granted. My first thought was social class; that's environmental and it's possible they all had this in common.
Re:Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence by truthaway12345 on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @12:24PM (#14402563)
Well can you make any sort of case for a causal arrow to support your dismissal? Because there is a case for a causal arrow in your dismissal target, given the article we're commenting on. The bar has been raised for "we said, they said" so you'll have to try a bit harder than assertively blaming environment.
Re:Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence by cmiles74 on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @01:36PM (#14403242)
The poster wondered what environmental factors these family members may have shared, social class is definitely one such factor.

Are you arguing that may not be the case? I think you would need more information about the poster's family to make that assertion.

Re:Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence by truthaway54321 on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @01:51PM (#14403412)
No, I'm saying that there is a demonstrated causal arrow from genes to intelligence. The evidence is less clear on the causality of social class and intelligence, however, so simply asserting it as a causative factor is not an effective rebuttal.
Re:Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence by arethuza on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @08:57AM (#14400738)
I obviously don't know the people concerned - but they presumably shared knowledge of the careers of their relatives? Peer pressure in families can be very strong even when it is indirect.