Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence

Re:Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence by psyc on Monday May 22, 2017 @10:15PM (#14398346)

I'll add my anecdote to this. Almost every male on both sides of my extended family taught themselves electronics/programming/science, graduated high school in their mid-teens, in many cases skipped university entirely, and went on to engineering careers at places like AMD, Microsoft, SpaceX, and GE. Even ones who never met each other have this same life story.

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Re:Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence by arethuza on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @04:14AM (#14399705)

That sounds like it could be used to argue for environment or genetics!

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Re:Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence by circlefavshape on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @04:46AM (#14399817)

Exactly. Families share more than genetics.

I once heard a radio spot where a woman spoke about herself and her sister's illustrious pole-vaulting career. She scoffed at the idea that she had taken up pole-vaulting because her older sister did it, and said "obviously" they both had pole-vaulting genes

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Re:Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence by truthaway12345 on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @12:29PM (#14402615)

I wasn't aware anyone doubted that there are genes that convey athletic abilities

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Re:Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence by psyc on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @08:08AM (#14400516)

What aspect of the environment was shared across 3 generations of uncles and cousins, geographically separated, many of whom didn't even know each other?

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Re:Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence by cmiles74 on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @09:24AM (#14400941)

I bet there are many that we take for granted. My first thought was social class; that's environmental and it's possible they all had this in common.

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Re:Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence by truthaway12345 on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @12:24PM (#14402563)

Well can you make any sort of case for a causal arrow to support your dismissal? Because there is a case for a causal arrow in your dismissal target, given the article we're commenting on. The bar has been raised for "we said, they said" so you'll have to try a bit harder than assertively blaming environment.

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Re:Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence by cmiles74 on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @01:36PM (#14403242)

The poster wondered what environmental factors these family members may have shared, social class is definitely one such factor.

Are you arguing that may not be the case? I think you would need more information about the poster's family to make that assertion.

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Re:Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence by truthaway54321 on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @01:51PM (#14403412)

No, I'm saying that there is a demonstrated causal arrow from genes to intelligence. The evidence is less clear on the causality of social class and intelligence, however, so simply asserting it as a causative factor is not an effective rebuttal.

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Re:Scientists Tie 52 Genes to Human Intelligence by arethuza on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @08:57AM (#14400738)

I obviously don't know the people concerned - but they presumably shared knowledge of the careers of their relatives? Peer pressure in families can be very strong even when it is indirect.

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